Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:58 pm

cverbil wrote:Many people just click on price update, whether the existing price is right or not, just for the points. After all, Waze is just a game for most people...it's all about the points.

This thread is not about gas prices entered by Waze users.
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby cverbil » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:34 pm

Many people just click on price update, whether the existing price is right or not, just for the points. After all, Waze is just a game for most people...it's all about the points.

It is so easy to manipulate prices, by entering pretty much anything you want. Waze backend is not intelligent enough to know what is a realistic price, and what is not.

And trust me, even the Waze programmers are not intelligent enough to write an algorithm that makes sense of elastic pricing theory, such that exists in the retail gasoline marketplace.

You are right though, in that the pricing database in Waze is worthless. Hey...guess what...the users get what they pay for!
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby Mike-1323 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:20 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:I also continue to see regular updates from 3rd party that includes N/A on various combinations of fuel grades including one station recently that had all four as NA and 3rd party was the last to touch it.

Personally it is such a joke that I don't even consider most of the the fuel price data valid because of the 3rd party updates being so inconsistent and screwing up what appears to be the very valid user entered data at other times.

That's about the way I feel about it. The unreliability of the 3rd party updates makes it pointless to use Waze to find the best deal for gas.
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:59 pm

I also continue to see regular updates from 3rd party that includes N/A on various combinations of fuel grades including one station recently that had all four as NA and 3rd party was the last to touch it.

Personally it is such a joke that I don't even consider most of the the fuel price data valid because of the 3rd party updates being so inconsistent and screwing up what appears to be the very valid user entered data at other times.
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby vaderss » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:49 pm

I am not seeing 3rd party N/A the gas prices near me, but they are often way off.
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:42 am

Just in case Waze is at all still interested in the clearly broken update process from 3rd party when prices change, this is still happening daily.

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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:44 pm

More missing prices from 3rd party updates yesterday and today. Thumbnails are clickable.

Shell on Farmington Rd had prices incorrect twice in the last few days:
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Chevron on Tualatin Valley Hwy
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Shell on Tualatin Valley Hwy had ALL prices wiped out
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Chevron on Scholls Ferry Rd missing midgrade
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Fred Meyer Gas on OR99W/Springbrook Rd
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby FreeMan12 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:56 pm

The Marathon at the corner of SR 26 & US 31 in Kokomo, IN had only regular listed yesterday evening. I know they carry all three grades, and I believe diesel, too. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... 3,16483962 I note there's no address for this station, either, though I've seen them in others screen caps. Actually, I don't recall seeing addresses for any of the stations I've updated here in Central Indiana.

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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:12 am

This Shell station is showing all four prices as NA this afternoon. I've updated it myself before. The last updated by information was missing from the screen.
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Re: Gas price updates from 3rd Party are very wrong

Postby BlazeTool » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:33 pm

eshabtai wrote:In order to avoid misleading users, the system will turn any grade to N/A if it was not updated/verified in three days. This is obviously wrong as N/A should be used to mark that a grade is missing and we need to find some other way to mark a price as not up to date.


What about a ? to signify it's unknown, or gray the information out to show it's stale but still represent the latest known information.
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