Vehicle types/ Navigation types

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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby TurnpikeWarrior12345 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:14 pm

Motorcycle option would be nice to have.

I do realize that Waze data is dependent on Wazers driving on highways and Wazers as cyclists/motorcyclists can affect the data and cause confusion for drivers.

for ie - West Side Highway in NYC is experiencing heavy traffic jam and is now moving at 5 mph. 10 motorcyclists is "easily navigating" thru at 25 mph and it can affect the data to show highway speed at 10-15 mph or upgrading it to "moderate".

I think the most logical solution is to disregard data from motorcyclists.
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Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:45 pm

TurnpikeWarrior wrote:I think the most logical solution is to disregard data from motorcyclists.


Not necessarily so.
If a MC is slow it could generate a jam. If it is faster than a (previously reported) jam it could be ignored. And every type of vehicle should have its own speedprofile for every segment as to not mess up speeddata for other vehicle types (until enough MC-data is collected the car-data applies).
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Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:54 pm

Vehicletype: emergency response vehicle (ambulance, firetruck)

In all(?) developed countries these vehicles are equipped with expensive custom-made GPS-units that rely on finetuned maps. In most developing countries this is not the case, and Waze could help them out. This type of vehicle would be able to drive anywhere a road is without triggering maperrors or clearing trafficjams. In handselected streets they could be allowed to drive AGAINST traffic (sirenes and flashlight assumed to be on). As an added extra they could be made visible flashing on the map and Wazers in their path could be warned to give way a minute in advance. (Yeah, I am awake - just daydreaming here).
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Postby yrrabsille » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:34 pm

Someone at one time mentioned an "Other Vehicle" designation which would be good for anyone that might mess up traffic data. It could be used for School Buses, Motorcycles, Bicycles, Emergency Vehicles, etc. I think this would be a good idea for now. "Other Vehicles" would not generate any traffic data or effect the average speeds of roadways.

Since Waze is primarily a Commuter App, I think it's best to focus on completing that first. New features encourage carpooling and I think the next natural progression is fine-tuning HOV lane capabilities since it's directly related to commuting and carpooling.

After that, some simple features to make it appeal to commercial drivers, especially since they can/do contribute a tremendous amount of traffic data.


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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby OldGnome » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:21 pm

fvwazing wrote:Please, do NOT add cyclists and pedestrians to the set. Any new vehicles should be able to drive (a subset of) the car-network.

How exactly are bicycles different in this discussion from long-haul trucks? Restrictions on where they can drive, potential impact to the average speed on the chosen roadway, etc. I would consider it an advantage while driving to know that both are on my route.
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Postby yrrabsille » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:53 pm

Long-haul trucks stay with the flow of traffic
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Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:32 pm

OldGnome wrote:
fvwazing wrote:Please, do NOT add cyclists and pedestrians to the set. Any new vehicles should be able to drive (a subset of) the car-network.

How exactly are bicycles different in this discussion from long-haul trucks? Restrictions on where they can drive, potential impact to the average speed on the chosen roadway, etc. I would consider it an advantage while driving to know that both are on my route.


Bicycles would need so many extra connections, they would double the volume of the map where I live. All that trouble - to plan a trafficfree route for cyclists. They don't get stuck in traffic, anyway. Before they do get stuck in traffic they cut a corner over a boardwalk. Even if you managed to present them with a perfect route they would ignore it. (I know because I am a parttime cyclist myself). Not worth the trouble. Do not bother with bicycles until - well, until the last street has housenumbers (another way to say never).

Trucks would need only a handful of changes to existing roads to make them perfectly happy.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby OldGnome » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:01 pm

fvwazing wrote:Bicycles would need so many extra connections, they would double the volume of the map where I live. All that trouble - to plan a trafficfree route for cyclists. They don't get stuck in traffic, anyway. Before they do get stuck in traffic they cut a corner over a boardwalk. Even if you managed to present them with a perfect route they would ignore it. (I know because I am a parttime cyclist myself). Not worth the trouble. Do not bother with bicycles until - well, until the last street has housenumbers (another way to say never).

Trucks would need only a handful of changes to existing roads to make them perfectly happy.

OK

I'm still fairly new here, but I can still see a way for bicycles to be added without a lot of the unnecessary data you are envisioning. The same restrictions for trucks (streets yes/no is the primary I can think of) can be duplicated for bicycles, so there is not a lot of additional coding required.

I am not recommending that Waze be turned into a cycling app. No, no and no. I am suggesting that the data from bicycles can be taken into consideration for motorists just as the truck data being discussed. There is another discussion regarding motorcycles that reflects this, too - make sure they don't corrupt the automotive data when they are inaccurately influencing the average speed of a segment.

That some motorcyclists and bicyclists choose to ignore the rules of the road, is actually immaterial - Waze doesn't do anything of the kind with autos, why other vehicle types? Here in the USA, most states mandate that bicyclists largely follow the automotive rules when it comes to riding on streets, obeying traffic signs, signalling, etc. That doesn't stop some of them from breaking those rules, just as traffic signs don't stop drivers from speeding or performing any manner of stupid human tricks on the road.
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Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:15 pm

It may be different in the states - but DUTCH cyclists are notorious!
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby OldGnome » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:15 pm

fvwazing wrote:It may be different in the states - but DUTCH cyclists are notorious!

All the more reason to know where they are. ;) :lol:
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