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Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:32 pm

OldGnome wrote:
fvwazing wrote:Please, do NOT add cyclists and pedestrians to the set. Any new vehicles should be able to drive (a subset of) the car-network.

How exactly are bicycles different in this discussion from long-haul trucks? Restrictions on where they can drive, potential impact to the average speed on the chosen roadway, etc. I would consider it an advantage while driving to know that both are on my route.


Bicycles would need so many extra connections, they would double the volume of the map where I live. All that trouble - to plan a trafficfree route for cyclists. They don't get stuck in traffic, anyway. Before they do get stuck in traffic they cut a corner over a boardwalk. Even if you managed to present them with a perfect route they would ignore it. (I know because I am a parttime cyclist myself). Not worth the trouble. Do not bother with bicycles until - well, until the last street has housenumbers (another way to say never).

Trucks would need only a handful of changes to existing roads to make them perfectly happy.
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Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:15 pm

It may be different in the states - but DUTCH cyclists are notorious!
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Postby fvwazing » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:50 pm

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fvwazing wrote:It may be different in the states - but DUTCH cyclists are notorious!

All the more reason to know where they are. ;) :lol:


Dude, they are in front/left/right & on top of you.

An american astonished about dutch cyclists: http://www.ski-epic.com/amsterdam_bicycles/

"This particular 3-way corner is INCREDIBLY busy with bicycles, cars, and pedestrians, and the traffic pattern is completely random. There don't seem to be any clearly defined rules of engagement -> from all directions bicycles and cars just whiz into the intersection and deal with whatever happens the best they can."
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Postby fvwazing » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:59 pm

WeeeZer14 wrote:For example, bicycles. We know people use Waze on bicycles, so if we have a bicycle option for them to pick, I bet they are more likely to do so. Especially if it makes their icon into a bicycle ;)

They don't need to know the details that it behaves the same as if they picked "other" and we and Waze don't need to do anything beyond setting up the "other" option.

And if sometime in the future we actually do support bicycles in a more complex manner, then the backend can change and the client already is set to bicycle.


Yeah, give them an option "bicycle" and an icon. Even if this doesn't do a thing, in every town you will have 2 or 3 fanatic cyclists that will take that as an encouragement to map cycleroads. These 2 or 3 are the only customers waze will win by this - and probably the last customers, too.

I have often scolded Amsterdam cyclists for screwing up directions. I seriously thought that I would find hordes of them - hey, Amsterdam is the bicycle capital of the world. Careful study of the damage and patterns over the last weeks shows that all the damage by cycles in Amsterdam comes from a handful. I estimate now that far less than 5% of rides are bicycles. That is enough to screw up the map every couple of weeks and that is about half of the gain Waze can get from supporting cyclists in Amsterdam.

Google now supports bicycles. I looked at their map in my hood, and it is far from correct for cycles. It would take about twice as much change to do it right. All that for the benefit of a handful.... do the math.

Trucks and cabs, on the other hand, only need a handful of changes to existing roads (mostly) to make them completely happy. They spend all their working hours in traffic, adding benefit for Waze.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:52 am

There is a 60:1 chance that not the busdriver but a passenger is wazing. Just saying.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:24 pm

p1l0t wrote:I would absolutely use a bicycle mode. We already can designate bicycle/walking paths so why not allow navigation for them in a mode that isn't going give bad data to car drivers. Plus how cool would it be to see a little bicycle wazer going by on the map. I use this app for avoiding traffic and road hazards (or plain navigation if I don't know the way somewhere) but a bicycle mode would add additional functionality for me. I'm 30 years old and getting kinda fat I try to ride my bike like every other day because it's helping me get back in shape. Plus the town I live in is HUGE on bike riding so it would get mapped for bicycles in a hurry. Also many other navigation apps to offer these modes so it will help make sure Waze keeps on crushing the competition. :mrgreen:


Why not??? Because it means tripling/quadrupling the density of the map without adding ANY value for the principle users - car drivers. Worse even, the added complexity will degrade the map beyond usage.

As you say, many other navigation apps do it. Helping out cyclists would not be a unique selling-point for Waze; detailed traffic-info for cars is.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:57 am

Are those crosswalks HIDDEN? Where I live they are clearly marked (in the interest of those pedestrians using them). If they are routinely overseen it makes perfect sense for the cops to sit next to them.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:58 pm

Something like "define desaster area", maybe?
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:42 pm

deeggo wrote:@fvwazing just because it's the village of Weert, doesn't automatically make it disaster area. That'll make some unhappy residents ;-)


That was a roadclosure-benchmark some time ago: a big fire causing all streets up to 2km downwind to get closed, including a freeway. Roadclosure failed just as spectacular as the fire as 30 or 40 Wazers could not close any street at all.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:38 am

I can see REAL tracks made in the park, in the fields.

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(2 bicycle shortcuts out of 14-16 leaving my hood)
So... would you expect to map this, then? Google does not know these, of course, and if any of you advocates even TRIED using Google's routes on a bike you would see the ridicule of it all.

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(14min? More like 3 or 4 in RL)

I would say: first make Waze work the way it was promised 3 years ago - for cars.
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