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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby petervdveen » Sun May 18, 2014 4:49 pm

Rottame65 wrote:Country: Italy
I use waze with my scooter and in my hometown, Milan, scooters and motorbikes are allowed to run on most bus and taxi lane. It would be great if waze will recognize bus and taxi lanes allowed to other categories of vehicles.

Better don't.
You will create fake traffic jams and removed the correct ones.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby piouet » Sun May 18, 2014 2:33 pm

Hey,

I'm using waze with my private "normal" car and sometinmes with a camping car. In this second usage, it would be wonderful that Waze app manage seveal kind of vehicle. So, navigation will take into account height limitation when camping car mode is activated.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby kar_lev » Sun May 18, 2014 1:38 pm

Hi There

How about pedestrian. It would be nice to use Waze when walking.
You'd need to take into account, times, sidewalks (or none) underground or bridge walkways
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby Gulasz » Mon May 12, 2014 10:13 am

country - Poland
I use waze on motorbike, and usually I have totally different speed than car users,I think it will be very usefull to distinguish motorbikes and cars in your app.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby krikketdoug » Wed May 07, 2014 11:42 pm

Already in the works. This is in the same category as trucks. Quickly checking what vehicle types I can add restrictions to on a road, I get the following list:

Trucks
Public Transportation
Taxis
Buses
HOV-2 "High Occupancy Vehicle" with at least 2 people in the car
HOV-3 "High Occupancy Vehicle" with at least 3 people in the car
RV
Towing Vehicle
Motorcycles
Private Vehicle (I'm assuming this means your average car)
Hazardous Materials

If you missed my earlier comment, this isn't even in beta testing yet. They are just allowing us to add the data for when things reach that point.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby lucasmlessa » Wed May 07, 2014 12:58 pm

I live in Jakarta, Indonesia. Indonesians love motorcycles as much as they love cellphones. So you can imagine the end of this story...

Waze here has a MAJOR problem which is the motorcycle users... Waze should have different algorithm for cars and motorcycles.

Motorcycles in Indonesia are in millions, much more than cars, and they drive much faster, making the waze average traffic speed always incorrect.

Those users also go on Waze Map Editor and make small little pave ways as drivable, also messing up with the whole system and drive directions. :x

Waze please HELP with a solution for this problem! :?
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby krikketdoug » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:26 pm

Not so much a max speed setting, as the trucks will be computed separately from cars, so you will get the average drive time for cars and trucks through an area.

But then again, while this is in the process of being implemented (if I understand correctly) it's still at a point where there's place to add data to the map, but this isn't even in beta. Just in the works.

I am not a Waze guru here, and don't want to misrepresent things. It's just the best understanding that I have at the moment.

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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby RooikatTV_YouTube » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:04 pm

I'm not even going to quote each other again! Way too long a reply :lol:

You are in a habit of turning Waze on/off when you stop. I'm in a habit of snatching everything when I stop and switch to WhatsApp or Tap-a-Talk, or whatever... That is why I like to map every single gas station and shop I go to, a parking lot. So that I can be snapped to the parking lot road, and don't care about the road data for that. Thus, one of the reasons I wish to have parking lots all over the country! :lol:

Yeah, the resting place must be an actual place I can pull over to climb out of the vehicle and stretch my legs, without worry traffic running me over on the main road. Because virtually, that's the case with Waze at the moment...

Hmmm, it's unfair NA servers got the cool stuff, and INTL don't .... soooooo unfair.

Max speed setting, sweet :-)

Ok, unless you want to reply, I'm happy with where we are standing :-)

Next....... BICYCLE!
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby krikketdoug » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:00 am

Gerald_Snyman wrote:The slowing down part, I understand, but here in SA cars just downright hate trucks. oh, even if you say you're a trucker, then immediately you loose whatever status you had, and be a dummy... *sigh*

You have my sympathies.
krikketdoug wrote:Which is why I've advocated for a "Alternative truck" category. You have 18 wheelers, and you have smaller box-trucks... I don't expect Waze to recognize all the differences, particularly when it comes to gross vehicle weight.

I fully agree! Let's just start with one truck mode. In SA, vehicles over 3.5 ton GVM are considered heavy vehicles. Usually 5+ ton needs to adhere compulsory safety stops, weigh bridge, speed, etc.

krikketdoug wrote:
I'd love to see mandatory rest stops, but I don't think that's reasonable...

What??? Drive 1600 km (1000 miles) with a car, it doesn't take that long to realize, that at some point you need to take a wee, or the bright sun kills your eyes (uhm, driving with sun glases makes things worse for me), or the stark darkness overwhelms you too, and then you wish for a safe place to pull over.

I suggest a simple landmark type REST STOP, and when you within the borders thereof, your speed has no influence on the traffic data, or a parking lot segment can be made parallel to the main road. The important part is, it needs to be searchable!! A driver gets tired at any given moment. I would like Waze to, on request perhaps, to tell where the nearest rest stop is. I'm not talking about a facility with a tuck shop and huge parking lot. I'm talking about a stop spot government makes in the middle of nowhere, where a few vehicles can fit in (some is large enough for a fleet, some just 3 vehicles).
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Ahh! We were talking past each other. I thought you were talking about something like an app that keeps track of mandatory rests, not a location.
krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:Some WEIGH BRIDGE is 24 hours open and require trucks to always enter the primary weigh bridge, to determine if the truck needs to be pulled over for an official weight. Thus, it would be nice if Waze can tell the driver to keep onto the bridge lane.

Agreed! Now if we can get Weigh station/bridge added as a landmark...

What does it help to add a weigh station as a landmark, if landmarks does nothing, except for cluttering the screen and waste server data storage space? When I add a landmark, it should be searchable after map updates. Something needs to exist in Google Maps, before it can be searchable in Waze...
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I can't speak for the world servers, but the Waze map is searchable in the US right now using an iOS device. I can't say if the roll-out has happened for android devices yet, but it is in the works. I'm sure the world servers will be soon to follow.

krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:Waze can navigate trucks on routes with less hills.

All ready in the works, if I understand correctly.

That's why I signed up for being a beta tester. So I can know what is in the pipeline :lol:

krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:When a truck stops on a long segment, Waze should ask the driver if it's a place to stop and rest. If yes, then mark a 50 meter radius.

If a truck driver doesn't shut off waze when making long distance trips. I'd ask why not. Or are all trips long-distance with no stops at red lights?


I don't understand the red light part,
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Part of the misunderstanding. Ignore the comment.
but, as for me, I simply keep Waze on (or actually my previous navigator which works according to my personal drive statistics), to keep track of my ETA. When I see I've gained 10 minutes on my drive, then I know I can rest for that time, without loosing my ETA. When I make an unplanned stop, then I need to work to reach my ETA again. I simply don't turn off my navigator(s), because of the downside of Waze being an online route planner. In the middle of nowhere, when I turn off Waze, I need to wait for data signals again to select my destination again. When I do pull over to sleep, I turn everything off. But for any stop less than 1 hour, I keep everything on... I know I sound like we are very tight on ETA, which is not the case. I've made ETA something to keep me concentrating on, otherwise, driving becomes hopelessly boring and falling asleep while driving becomes all the more a greater risk. All experienced drivers will tell you that you feel wide awake right now, 5 seconds later you are fast asleep, simply skipping the part of feeling drowsy. Please, I ask of you to understand the importance of finding safe places to stop and rest in the country side / outback / the middle of nowhere...

Gotcha. Apparently our experiences with getting Waze data are very different. In my case, any time I pull over and stop to run into a store or something, I shut off Waze because I don't want to feed bad data about the roads. When I power up again, it asks if I want to continue the route. All pretty much instantaneously.
NEW STUFF:
Oh yeah, what I forgot, in SA trucks have an upper max speed of 80 km/h. Everywhere in the country (freeway included), it's illegal for a truck to exceed 80 km/h (I think it's 50 mph), in most towns the speed limit is 40 km/h. Then also, any dangerous goods vehicle (even a pickup truck / bakkie / light delivery vehicle [LDV]) may not exceed 80 km/h. I know they are in the minority of being almost non-existent, but a simple decision in car mode to set the maximum speed the user wants to drive, will help already a great deal with ETA.

Right now, if Waze can add that simple feature of the user decides what the maximum speed he wants to drive, will help all vehicle types, although car type is the only available right now. My longest route is 1600 km (1k miles), and the difference between 80 & 120 km/h completely mess up my ETA. Even on a 500 km distance, a car do that in 5 hours, an 18 wheeler does that in 8-9 hours... I'm so used to driving slow, that even with my car I drive 80-100 km/h. I wish to have a setting for max speed in Waze...

The solution is fairly simple, Waze only need to check each segment's speed and if greater than user-max-speed then limit the segment speed accordingly. Or take the sum of all the segment distances that exceed user-max-speed, and calculate ETA according to user-max-speed, then add to the sum of ETA of all slow segments.


In the works from what I understand

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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby RooikatTV_YouTube » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:24 am

krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:Country : South Africa
Types: Truck 18 Wheeler
I just don't understand why cars hate trucks.

As another truck driver (newly minted) I can say that most car drivers don't hate truckers. On the other hand, they do hate being slowed by trucks...

The slowing down part, I understand, but here in SA cars just downright hate trucks. oh, even if you say you're a trucker, then immediately you loose whatever status you had, and be a dummy... *sigh*

krikketdoug wrote:Which is why I've advocated for a "Alternative truck" category. You have 18 wheelers, and you have smaller box-trucks... I don't expect Waze to recognize all the differences, particularly when it comes to gross vehicle weight.

I fully agree! Let's just start with one truck mode. In SA, vehicles over 3.5 ton GVM are considered heavy vehicles. Usually 5+ ton needs to adhere compulsory safety stops, weigh bridge, speed, etc.

krikketdoug wrote:
I'd love to see mandatory rest stops, but I don't think that's reasonable...

What??? Drive 1600 km (1000 miles) with a car, it doesn't take that long to realize, that at some point you need to take a wee, or the bright sun kills your eyes (uhm, driving with sun glases makes things worse for me), or the stark darkness overwhelms you too, and then you wish for a safe place to pull over.

I suggest a simple landmark type REST STOP, and when you within the borders thereof, your speed has no influence on the traffic data, or a parking lot segment can be made parallel to the main road. The important part is, it needs to be searchable!! A driver gets tired at any given moment. I would like Waze to, on request perhaps, to tell where the nearest rest stop is. I'm not talking about a facility with a tuck shop and huge parking lot. I'm talking about a stop spot government makes in the middle of nowhere, where a few vehicles can fit in (some is large enough for a fleet, some just 3 vehicles).

I don't know if you in USA does have the same. But here in SA, government is lifting up all major roads to a height of at least 1 m. Finding places to stop and rest, or breakdowns, etc, becomes scares. Nobody can just pull over for no reason, otherwise you become a road hazard!!! That's why, in my opinion and experience, searchable mandatory rest stops becomes really important.

Please.

krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:Some WEIGH BRIDGE is 24 hours open and require trucks to always enter the primary weigh bridge, to determine if the truck needs to be pulled over for an official weight. Thus, it would be nice if Waze can tell the driver to keep onto the bridge lane.

Agreed! Now if we can get Weigh station/bridge added as a landmark...

What does it help to add a weigh station as a landmark, if landmarks does nothing, except for cluttering the screen and waste server data storage space? When I add a landmark, it should be searchable after map updates. Something needs to exist in Google Maps, before it can be searchable in Waze...

Here is the procedure: Make a landmark in Waze, name it, classify it. Go to Google, make a landmark, name it, classify it, wait for someone to review your Google edit, hopefully a great reviewer reviews your edit and his vote alone will pass your edit for update. Then voila, Waze can search it. What a waste of time. It's double work. Everything I do in Waze, I need to repeat that in Google. Yeah, I understand Google bought Waze, and have the control. Google Maps can still snatch Waze info, to have their maps improved via Waze editors... Whatever :roll:

krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:Waze can navigate trucks on routes with less hills.

All ready in the works, if I understand correctly.

That's why I signed up for being a beta tester. So I can know what is in the pipeline :lol:

krikketdoug wrote:
Gerald_Snyman wrote:When a truck stops on a long segment, Waze should ask the driver if it's a place to stop and rest. If yes, then mark a 50 meter radius.

If a truck driver doesn't shut off waze when making long distance trips. I'd ask why not. Or are all trips long-distance with no stops at red lights?


I don't understand the red light part, but, as for me, I simply keep Waze on (or actually my previous navigator which works according to my personal drive statistics), to keep track of my ETA. When I see I've gained 10 minutes on my drive, then I know I can rest for that time, without loosing my ETA. When I make an unplanned stop, then I need to work to reach my ETA again. I simply don't turn off my navigator(s), because of the downside of Waze being an online route planner. In the middle of nowhere, when I turn off Waze, I need to wait for data signals again to select my destination again. When I do pull over to sleep, I turn everything off. But for any stop less than 1 hour, I keep everything on... I know I sound like we are very tight on ETA, which is not the case. I've made ETA something to keep me concentrating on, otherwise, driving becomes hopelessly boring and falling asleep while driving becomes all the more a greater risk. All experienced drivers will tell you that you feel wide awake right now, 5 seconds later you are fast asleep, simply skipping the part of feeling drowsy. Please, I ask of you to understand the importance of finding safe places to stop and rest in the country side / outback / the middle of nowhere...

NEW STUFF:
Oh yeah, what I forgot, in SA trucks have an upper max speed of 80 km/h. Everywhere in the country (freeway included), it's illegal for a truck to exceed 80 km/h (I think it's 50 mph), in most towns the speed limit is 40 km/h. Then also, any dangerous goods vehicle (even a pickup truck / bakkie / light delivery vehicle [LDV]) may not exceed 80 km/h. I know they are in the minority of being almost non-existent, but a simple decision in car mode to set the maximum speed the user wants to drive, will help already a great deal with ETA.

Right now, if Waze can add that simple feature of the user decides what the maximum speed he wants to drive, will help all vehicle types, although car type is the only available right now. My longest route is 1600 km (1k miles), and the difference between 80 & 120 km/h completely mess up my ETA. Even on a 500 km distance, a car do that in 5 hours, an 18 wheeler does that in 8-9 hours... I'm so used to driving slow, that even with my car I drive 80-100 km/h. I wish to have a setting for max speed in Waze...

The solution is fairly simple, Waze only need to check each segment's speed and if greater than user-max-speed then limit the segment speed accordingly. Or take the sum of all the segment distances that exceed user-max-speed, and calculate ETA according to user-max-speed, then add to the sum of ETA of all slow segments.
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