Road Closure discussion thread

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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby CBenson » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:54 pm

So today, M Street SE in Washington is closed due to the shootings at the Navy Yard. I could not close the ramp from I-695 to M Street as I passed it. I could manage to hit the little arrow, but that didn't enable the "Next" button.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby CBenson » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:06 pm

So here is a current shot of the live map area around the Navy Yard.
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What do road closure pins without red/white closed road segments mean?
How does one create such pins?
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby CBenson » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:16 pm

daknife wrote:Whereas a Major accident report, flags the problem area for the routing systems immediately.

Do we really have any indication that a major accident report has any effect on the routing at all?
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby CBenson » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:29 pm

I've seen little improvement in the road closure feature. The arrows remain too small and overlap when there are small gore angles. You can't effectively close a road because you can only indicate a closure for a few segment that you can normally route through from the segment you are on. You can't indicate the road is closed in the middle of the segment you are on.

As we are now nearing app version 3.8 with little apparent improvement, it seems to me that it makes little sense to continue to report closure interface issues in the client release threads or through the beta testing channels. Bugzilla continues to show that there are no bugs with the road closure feature. I fear the developers may think this is the case.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:50 pm

I continue to think that you should need fewer (not more) closure reports to cause the routing server to reroute all users on major well traveled roads. It seems to me that one closure report from a single trusted user should be sufficient to confirm that the absence of real-time traffic data on a road that normally has real-time traffic data is due to a closure.

It is the less traveled side roads where waze doesn't have enough data to show an absence of normal traffic that multiple user reports might be need for verification that the road is actually closed. The system just seems backwards to me.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby chisel86 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:41 pm

I have reported a road closed every day for almost 2 weeks before I started ignoring the route. It is still closed for construction (very long term) and it will still occasionally route me through that street. I would edit the segment on the map, but I no longer have edit rights (because I ignored a PM???)
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby daknife » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:22 am

Let me add my claim to it not giving enough credibility. I tried a construction close a few days ago for a short stretch of road that was posted as being closed for four days. It did immediately route me around my closure, but the next day tried to take me through. The road surface had been entirely ripped out so I know that not a single Wazer went through the construction (unless he/she was driving one of the tractors doing the rebuild). I'm not a Champ, but with over 2 mil edits, a level 5 editor ranking, and having held the gold waze mood for my state for over a year (finally lost it this week due to computer problems keeping me from editing,) I'd think it should give me a bit of credibility in making a report last more than 24 hours.

I think this tool has potential, a corresponding tool in the editor (level 3 or higher only?) for marking longer term (days not weeks or months) closures in the editor would be a good idea. Yes updates are frequent enough now, but it would be nice to be able to simply note a planned closure in the news or on a flashing sign, and be able to not only enter the planned closure but also pre-program an end date for the closure to lift, with a threshold over-ride if a certain number of wazers are tracked through the closure prior to the scheduled opening. (though maybe not the threshhold idea as I have seen evidence of construction workers running waze through construction zones.)

In app reporting for accidents, weather, impromptu construction and other short term closures lasting up to a day or two. In editor reporting for closures longer than what the app allows, but without requiring us to actually change the map (disconnecting segments), just allow us to mark the relevant segments as closed, and set an expiration time/date.

But I'm late to this discussion so that's my 2 cents, carry on.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby daknife » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:50 am

Looks good based on what we know so far. Love that a lev 5 even has to repeatedly report the same closure (three days in a row now) each morning, and evidently until someone else bothers to report it, only I can see the closure. (The road I've been playing with is a seldom used residential street that's being rebuilt.)
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby daknife » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:55 am

Would not Major Accident, have been a better option? That is what I would have advised the user in response to the UR.
Particularly with how weak the Road Closure option is, needing multiple reports of the same closure by different people for it to take effect. Whereas a Major accident report, flags the problem area for the routing systems immediately.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby daknife » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:03 am

Post a permalink to the unlock forum asking someone to close it. Not as efficient as doing it yourself, but you can still get it closed and then reopened when needed.
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