Road Closure discussion thread

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Road Closure discussion thread

Postby fvwazing » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:41 pm

The route with the jam is presented when I plan the route from a 50km/30min distance. When I plan from a location closer to the "disaster area" I do get a better alternative (20min gain) presented 1st. I have no idea which alternative would have won if I really moved there but the sheer number of Wazers NOT following the faster alternative but sheepishly queuing up suggests to me that not all/very few of them do get the faster alternative. Anyway, situation has relaxed a short time after my last screenshot so I can not investigate further.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby fvwazing » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:40 pm

Well, today I had the chance to witness a situation develop on a freeway near me. A stretch of freeway was closed in both directions because of a big fire - the smoke created dangerous situations. It started almost 5 hours ago, and it is not over yet. All the traffic jams around it were signalized by the dozens of Wazers that were routed into the area. Yes, DOZENS. From n00bs to royalty - at no time the freeway was signaled closed by Waze. Not visibly marked, and not avoided by the routing. The Wazers stuck in the jams may have had opportunity to report as the traffic jams slowed down to 5-6kmh.

Total failure. Assuming that the road-blocking by itself technically works as advertised: we need a lot of education for this feature (and a lot of patience).

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...and the misery goes into its 6th hour, with the fridayafternoon-jams expected anytime soon (this is just the prelude).
Irrespective of the continuing roadblock, WHY does Waze send me into a 40 minute jam, without as much as blinking?

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Road Closure discussion thread

Postby fvwazing » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:36 am

Ppl, the previous post was not meant to END discussions, but to IGNITE them! I have seen traffic-jams with roadblocks over the past months that had dozens of Wazers involved in them and where enough critical mass would have been to make the described scheme work out. However... we have roadblocks (for short periods) every day, and my critique is that this scheme is not sensitive enough to catch most of those.

Any real-life experience collected yet?
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby fvwazing » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:47 am

If workings are as described, we will need at least 6 reporting Wazers to shut down a typical stretch of highway.

Consider this situation - road blocked at "X".

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Wazers on the blue track will report THE NEXT SEGMENT closed. As soon as that block works, Wazers coming from the same direction will be guided off the highway ONE EXIT TOO EARLY and into the roadblock - over the green track. The density of loose Wazers driving around and reporting the entry-ramp closed is far less than those on the highway - per definition, almost.

It remains to be seen how many Wazers will find the time to report AND do it right - I estimate it is far less than 100% unless they have a Waze-enthousiast as a passenger.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby foxitrot » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:02 am

Excellent, I'm eager to see the results. And any movement forward.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby foxitrot » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:59 pm

Caradellino wrote:... if just a single Wazer going over THE WHOLE closed segment would reset the closure, therefore allmost imediately clearing any false reports...

IIIRC it already is and was so. Even a traffic, detected in the opposite direction, is said to immediately clear the closures in "my direction".

Sent from a touch display, which took care of perfectly scrambling my thoughts.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby foxitrot » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:13 am

Caradellino wrote:...maybe we get some movement into the story... ;)

I doubt.

Anyway, any movement would be gladly welcome. Otherwise RC will indefinitely remain as yet another functionality solely for PR purposes.
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby foxitrot » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:53 am

fvwazing wrote:But as soon as a Wazer leaves the proposed route a dialog could pop up (at the same moment the recalculation kicks in) asking if the deviation is a) caused by a closure b) caused by buildup of traffic ahead c) because of a maperror ...

I actually do remember having seen such dialog popping up, some year ago, when I've left the proposed route (because of traffic ahead). Around the time the closures were being introduced? Maybe Waze was thinking of it, then they abandoned the concept?
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby foxitrot » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:20 am

Unfortunately this half-baked functionality often does not make much sense :-|
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Re: Road Closure discussion thread

Postby foxitrot » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:02 am

I'd rephrase it: The existing, misnamed, Turn Closure tool occasionally does allow you to block some turn, but mostly it does not offer any useful one (because of your position). But we still need a Road Closure tool to be implemented. Devs?
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