Sleep button on future iOS versions

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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:05 am

kpouer wrote:It seems the system has changed between the last beta and the release, now when waze gets the focus it is reactivated.

Getting focus isn't the problem. Any app which was on-screen when the sleep button is pressed is on-screen when the device is unlocked. The "problem," IMO and likely yours and others, is that this automatically takes Waze out of sleep mode. I believe it should not automatically wake up on device unsleep.

I think there is a technical hurdle here for Waze devs: can they determine Waze is being activated from being tapped on from the springboard, or if it is being activated from waking from device sleep? If iOS makes this info available to apps, I think should act differently depending on the activation method: 1) tap on springboard: open and start GPS, network, etc. (wake up); 2) device awakened from sleep: Waze should stay in sleep mode.
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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby sketch » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:05 am

kpouer wrote:It seems the system has changed between the last beta and the release, now when waze gets the focus it is reactivated.
Big problem when finishing driving, switching to sleep mode and shut down my phone.
Then if I unlock the phone (not for driving) waze is restarted, so I have to put it again ins keep mode then switch the apps.

Yep, I mentioned this before, maybe in the old 3.7.3 feedback thread that accidentally got deleted. It's a problem.


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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby kpouer » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:12 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
kpouer wrote:It seems the system has changed between the last beta and the release, now when waze gets the focus it is reactivated.

Getting focus isn't the problem. Any app which was on-screen when the sleep button is pressed is on-screen when the device is unlocked. The "problem," IMO and likely yours and others, is that this automatically takes Waze out of sleep mode. I believe it should not automatically wake up on device unsleep.

I think there is a technical hurdle here for Waze devs: can they determine Waze is being activated from being tapped on from the springboard, or if it is being activated from waking from device sleep? If iOS makes this info available to apps, I think should act differently depending on the activation method: 1) tap on springboard: open and start GPS, network, etc. (wake up); 2) device awakened from sleep: Waze should stay in sleep mode.


Isn't it exactly what I told?
If waze cannot know if it was tapped from the springboard or if it is only the phone that was activated it should stay in sleep mode if it was it's previous state.
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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby dougstrickland » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:01 pm

sketch wrote:
mwburn wrote:Yep, in fact they got it wrong and backwards.

The "recommendation" is that if your application doesn't "exit" when the home button is pressed, THEN you warn the user that it's still running (and why, etc). Granted, I don't like the idea of waze (or any other app) using a "warning" screen if I want to hit the home button and change applications either.

There's been a lot of debate about how to enlighten/inform users of apps running in the "background", with no real good overall solution. Which is why I believe Apple made it a "recommendation", and if waze incorporates this, I for one will probably turn it on less frequently, unless I'm driving for longer trips (the majority of my trips are only a few minutes).
Nah, you're misreading the Apple document.

A single press of the Home button never does anything besides exiting the currently active application. An app does not have the opportunity to warn a user about anything once the home button is pressed (other than possibly via a push notification, in certain circumstances). The language about alerting a user to a problem is in the context of an error which does not close the app but which limits its functionality somehow.

"A: There is no API provided for gracefully terminating an iOS application.
In iOS, the user presses the Home button to close applications."

Apple wants to be sure that all their apps provide a consistent experience. Most likely Waze didn't just choose to enforce this now—probably someone at Apple caught on and told Waze "take the shutdown feature out or we won't approve the next version of your app".


This is simply not true. Open iBooks on an iPad - open a book. Press the Home button. You are returned to the Library/bookshelf.
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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby foxitrot » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:24 pm

dougstrickland wrote:This is simply not true. Open iBooks on an iPad - open a book. Press the Home button. You are returned to the Library/bookshelf.

I'm no way an iOS expert, but IIRC the bookshelves are (or appear to be) integrated to the home screen?
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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby sketch » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:34 pm

dougstrickland wrote:This is simply not true. Open iBooks on an iPad - open a book. Press the Home button. You are returned to the Library/bookshelf.

Not on my iPhone. It takes me to the homescreen. I seriously doubt it's different on the iPad, but I'll try it when I get home if you insist.
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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:47 pm

dougstrickland wrote:This is simply not true. Open iBooks on an iPad - open a book. Press the Home button. You are returned to the Library/bookshelf.

That would be completely against the iOS guidelines, would it not. The home button has very limited use, but returning to another window/screen of the currently running app I don't think is one of the acceptable uses. Of course, Apple gets to ignore their own requirements any time they wish...
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Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby sketch » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:42 am

dougstrickland wrote:This is simply not true. Open iBooks on an iPad - open a book. Press the Home button. You are returned to the Library/bookshelf.

That is patently false. Home goes to the home screen from every app, even Apple's.

If you need convincing, here: http://youtu.be/xB1xETZwmlM

Any jailbreak "solution" you might have doesn't count. You may just be mistaken, and that's fine.


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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby stuartdole » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:35 pm

I just updated to iOS 7, and something - Waze? - burned through 95% of my battery during the night. This is on an iPhone 4S.

When I arrive at a destination I usually select "Sleep" from the lower left menu, then hit the Home button to go on to other things, then the power button so I can put the phone in my pocket. I'd be much happier with a "Quit" or "Over and Out" button. (Seems Waze is a light sleeper!)

Does it wake itself from "Sleep" now? Do I have to kill the app every time I'm done driving (double-tap Home, swipe, flick (or hold and (-)), tap)? Can Waze sense that the phone is now quiet (accelerometer) and stop looking for GPS signals (and the massive floating point arithmetic load that calls for)?

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Re: Sleep button on future iOS versions

Postby sketch » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:11 pm

stuartdole wrote:I just updated to iOS 7, and something - Waze? - burned through 95% of my battery during the night. This is on an iPhone 4S.

When I arrive at a destination I usually select "Sleep" from the lower left menu, then hit the Home button to go on to other things, then the power button so I can put the phone in my pocket. I'd be much happier with a "Quit" or "Over and Out" button. (Seems Waze is a light sleeper!)

Does it wake itself from "Sleep" now? Do I have to kill the app every time I'm done driving (double-tap Home, swipe, flick (or hold and (-)), tap)? Can Waze sense that the phone is now quiet (accelerometer) and stop looking for GPS signals (and the massive floating point arithmetic load that calls for)?

Many thanks!

If it was Waze, it was irregular behavior.

Sleep disables Waze's location function and, once the data from your last drive is sent to the server, its data transmission function as well.

Waze shouldn't wake up from sleep unless you open it up again. You shouldn't have to kill the app.

Waze does effectively put itself to sleep after 10 minutes in the background without movement.

Waze used to have a "Turn Off" button, but Apple brought down the big hammer which says on it "The Only Way to Quit an App Is the Home Button", and it had to be changed.

Either way, maybe it wasn't Waze?
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