Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:10 pm

I've had an 'okina (apostrophe) on my street name since day 1, and TTS just ignores it. But as far as matching signage, I'm all for it.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:17 am

Nacron wrote:
KuniaKid wrote:I've had an 'okina (apostrophe) on my street name since day 1, and TTS just ignores it. But as far as matching signage, I'm all for it.


What happens when one side of the street the sign has diacriticals and the other side doesn't?


Criterion for split road?

Nah. Yeah. Good question.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:29 pm

I think we need to address this in earnest. The new validator script flags the apostrophe ' , but not back quote, `. I suppose we need to decide wither we are using diacriticals or not. If so, do we need to use back quote, or ask that validator not flag apostrophe.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:29 pm

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you just opened a whole new world for me. I did not know about alt-key combinations.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:48 pm

Okay. I can unequivocally state that Po'olau produces "Pool-lau". That's with an apostrophe. I'll change it to the alt-key ‘ and wait.

BUT, will searches require the correct punctuation to return the correct road? In other words, does the end user have to put in that correct diacritical to get the street they are looking for?
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:03 am

Machete808 wrote:
KuniaKid wrote: alt-key ‘
And, BTW, that's Alt-right bracket.


Yes. That's how I got the ‘. I just typed in "alt-key" as a generic alt+{key}
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Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:50 pm

Thought I'd start this thread to gather ideas on how to handle Hawaiian place names in WME.
Of course, at issue is the use of the 'okina only (represented in WME by an apostrophe), since the platform doesn't support the kahako.

My opinion is that in general, we should be guided by signage, and since most major signs don't include them, neither should Waze, to avoid unnecessary confusion. Of course, many newer subdivision do use street signs with diacriticals, and there including the 'okina seems appropriate.

Also, in Places, where it's part of the proper name (according to its official website), we should follow that guidance.

I haven't noticed an effect on TTS -- has anyone?
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:08 am

KuniaKid wrote:I think we need to address this in earnest. The new validator script flags the apostrophe ' , but not back quote, `. I suppose we need to decide wither we are using diacriticals or not. If so, do we need to use back quote, or ask that validator not flag apostrophe.


That's interesting. When we do an okina on Macs for work, that's made with Alt and the right bracket. Like this: ‘

We need to experiment whether THIS has an effect on Validator or TTS, right?

And I'm really not sure now about the kahako. Type this into the WME search box, and Lihue appears with both the okina and kahako:

Nawiliwili Rd & Kukui Grove St, Līhuʻe, HI 96766
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Yes. Time for selective edits and TTS tests. Going to look around my neighborhood for some of the newer signs that may have diacriticals.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:04 am

KuniaKid wrote:Okay. I can unequivocally state that Po'olau produces "Pool-lau". That's with an apostrophe. I'll change it to the alt-key ‘ and wait.

BUT, will searches require the correct punctuation to return the correct road? In other words, does the end user have to put in that correct diacritical to get the street they are looking for?


A critical consideration (no pun intended). I would imagine that the plain-vanilla place names, minus the diacriticals, would need to be there as an alt.

And, BTW, that's Alt-right bracket. Still struggling to find a way to enter the kahako via the keyboard.
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