Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

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Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:50 pm

Thought I'd start this thread to gather ideas on how to handle Hawaiian place names in WME.
Of course, at issue is the use of the 'okina only (represented in WME by an apostrophe), since the platform doesn't support the kahako.

My opinion is that in general, we should be guided by signage, and since most major signs don't include them, neither should Waze, to avoid unnecessary confusion. Of course, many newer subdivision do use street signs with diacriticals, and there including the 'okina seems appropriate.

Also, in Places, where it's part of the proper name (according to its official website), we should follow that guidance.

I haven't noticed an effect on TTS -- has anyone?
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:10 pm

I've had an 'okina (apostrophe) on my street name since day 1, and TTS just ignores it. But as far as matching signage, I'm all for it.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Nacron » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:59 am

KuniaKid wrote:I've had an 'okina (apostrophe) on my street name since day 1, and TTS just ignores it. But as far as matching signage, I'm all for it.


What happens when one side of the street the sign has diacriticals and the other side doesn't?
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:17 am

Nacron wrote:
KuniaKid wrote:I've had an 'okina (apostrophe) on my street name since day 1, and TTS just ignores it. But as far as matching signage, I'm all for it.


What happens when one side of the street the sign has diacriticals and the other side doesn't?


Criterion for split road?

Nah. Yeah. Good question.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:29 pm

I think we need to address this in earnest. The new validator script flags the apostrophe ' , but not back quote, `. I suppose we need to decide wither we are using diacriticals or not. If so, do we need to use back quote, or ask that validator not flag apostrophe.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Nacron » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:44 pm

KuniaKid wrote:I think we need to address this in earnest. The new validator script flags the apostrophe ' , but not back quote, `. I suppose we need to decide wither we are using diacriticals or not. If so, do we need to use back quote, or ask that validator not flag apostrophe.

I wouldn't mind it but we gotta add it to the wiki to make sure guest and new editors don't remove it. I think we can get letters with kahako by copying and pasting the character in. What about city names too if we're making it ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi compliant lol. I'll test kahako if I can find a road that has it.

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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:08 am

KuniaKid wrote:I think we need to address this in earnest. The new validator script flags the apostrophe ' , but not back quote, `. I suppose we need to decide wither we are using diacriticals or not. If so, do we need to use back quote, or ask that validator not flag apostrophe.


That's interesting. When we do an okina on Macs for work, that's made with Alt and the right bracket. Like this: ‘

We need to experiment whether THIS has an effect on Validator or TTS, right?

And I'm really not sure now about the kahako. Type this into the WME search box, and Lihue appears with both the okina and kahako:

Nawiliwili Rd & Kukui Grove St, Līhuʻe, HI 96766
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Nacron » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:21 am

Just Google kahako and copy and paste the char out of it. That's different from the accent ` above the tilde ~. On Android I have these options ’ ‘ ' when I long press apostrophe. I copied the Olelo Hawaii from a website and the ‘okina uses ‘ not ' or `. Google keyboard also has the kahako'd chars but Tapatalk errors out when I type it lol

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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby KuniaKid » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:29 pm

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you just opened a whole new world for me. I did not know about alt-key combinations.
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Re: Use of Hawaiian diacriticals

Postby Machete808 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Yes. Time for selective edits and TTS tests. Going to look around my neighborhood for some of the newer signs that may have diacriticals.
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