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Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:28 pm
by Machete808
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It now appears that pairing both the common name and the route number in the primary naming field will allow the display of highway shields, so there's no need to choose one over another. I'm still interested in local feedback on how this would sound/look before we decide where to make the change on state highways. Waze may make this display feature active "soon."

BUT we may need to consider possible search impact in areas where the highway name is part of a lot of addresses. I think a search would then pull the Google result and route appropriately, and perhaps including the common name as an alt would resolve the search issue. Interested in any thoughts here.

The stretches of highway without many house numbers attached are relatively common on the neighbor islands, but even on Oahu, there are some. For starters, I don't think any location has a Kahekili Hwy address, though I could be wrong. Parts of Kalanianaole Hwy, on the Ka Iwi Coast side, though not so much the East Honolulu stretch where there are houses right on the highway.

For example, I don't see any HNs here:

https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... 2,62649522

The proposed naming syntax in the primary field would be:

Named Hwy / SR-XX

I'll doublecheck with other sources for the question on the routing issue, too.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:53 pm
by doctorkb
On Maui, nobody ever refers to the highways by number, and the shield signs are much less prominent than the actual name of the route.

To change a primary name to be SR- would actually create a lot of confusion. The labels need to continue to be "Mokulele Hwy" and "Piilani Hwy" and "Hana Hwy".

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:15 pm
by Machete808
I agree, in general. However, there may be junctions where the tourist might be confused by local names and expects, based on signage, to see a route shield. Just leaving that prospect open.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:23 pm
by doctorkb
Yeah, in dealing with tourists, it's a completely different ball of wax. If they're from mainland US, they all want to talk about "Route ##" which nobody knows if they ask for directions.

In general, the street names are AT LEAST as prominent as the shields, and in some cases, the shields are basically missing.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:26 pm
by Machete808
What's your sense on Maui about how commonly local residents use Waze? Most of the URs seem to come from tourists, so I wondered.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:40 pm
by doctorkb
I couldn't tell you. The URs I see would come from folks at least familiar with the area -- thinking they should take a certain path, not where Waze directs them.

I guess what it boils down to is that even the signage is lacking for the shields... here is an intersection with Piilani Hwy: https://www.google.ca/maps/@20.7617903, ... 6656?hl=en

No shield, but street name there.

Then you get these: https://www.google.ca/maps/@20.7854794, ... 6656?hl=en

Which are even worse. But those green signs are pretty good: https://www.google.ca/maps/@20.7857917, ... 6656?hl=en

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:49 pm
by doctorkb
Further data point... if you look at the GPS coords of residential areas, it appears it is being used by locals. Or at least a lot of people visiting locals...

Specifically, if you look at Kahului, there aren't really any vacation rentals (that I'm aware of) in those areas, and yet there's plenty of GPS trace.

So, I'd say we've got a strong local contingent.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:30 pm
by Machete808
Good thinking! Maybe they're just not the ones leaving URs.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:58 am
by Nacron
IMHO shielding is kinda low priority for me. I think that even tourist can identify the street names. Take for instance the intersections from Village Park and Royal Kunia. There isn't any signage or shields to indicate that the road is SR-750 but with Kunia Rd named primary as SR-750 it creates more confusion. You can see signs that say Kunia Rd but no signs that indicate the state route number. Maybe we should leave out shielding until Waze finds a way to have the secondary name produce shields.

Re: Shielding state highways

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:16 pm
by Machete808
Nacron wrote:Maybe we should leave out shielding until Waze finds a way to have the secondary name produce shields.


Well, I guess the alternate name doesn't produce shields, but as you mentioned in the Hangout, the State Route number can be included with the common name, separated by a slash, and produce the highway shield:

Kahekili Hwy / SR-63

I think that would make it worth relabeling state highways, statewide.