Burlington Skyway restrictions

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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby hmarian » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:18 pm

Today is Monday, no?

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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby manoeuvre » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:58 pm

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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby hmarian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:57 pm

It's not opening Monday. Have you seen the overhead pictures?


I also questioned that estimate, but we can only based our decisions on official information we get from the news.

The exit to Eastport Dr is right adjacent to the affected span. That's where the traffic is heading. Waze would be telling users to go across the closed span because of all the traffic that is now on Eastport Dr, when the app closures expire.


Once the user will be detoured off the highway, Waze will take care of putting him back on his best route to where he is going.

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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby invented » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:21 am

hmarian wrote:MTO and OPP don't know when the bridge is going to be opened.
At this point Monday is the best guess, but this may get pushed again, who knows?
It's not opening Monday. Have you seen the overhead pictures?
I looked at the segments on the Toronto Bound QEW several times today and the backed up traffic was showing very well on Livemap and affected routing in the area, which tells me that either Wazers reported closures from the App or once a few of them got sucked in traffic it sent the information to Waze and the routing server started suggest alternate routes around the bridge.
The exit to Eastport Dr is right adjacent to the affected span. That's where the traffic is heading. Waze would be telling users to go across the closed span because of all the traffic that is now on Eastport Dr, when the app closures expire.
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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby manoeuvre » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:29 am

I agree with hmarian, at this point anyone making travel plans to Toronto will already know about the Skyway Closure. I'm pretty certain every single electronic highway sign going toward that closure is letting drivers know where it is closed and how to detour.

I don't think we should make WME changes at this time.
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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby hmarian » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:16 am

MTO and OPP don't know when the bridge is going to be opened.
At this point Monday is the best guess, but this may get pushed again, who knows?

I looked at the segments on the Toronto Bound QEW several times today and the backed up traffic was showing very well on Livemap and affected routing in the area, which tells me that either Wazers reported closures from the App or once a few of them got sucked in traffic it sent the information to Waze and the routing server started suggest alternate routes around the bridge.

I suggest that we don't impose any closures on the WME, unless we can be certain 100% that this restriction could be pulled when the Bridge is opened, either based on detecting traffic going on the restricted segments or by one of us informing Waze.
If we can't achieve that the worse case scenario would be that some motorists will get a route suggestion thorough the bridge and once the OPP tell them to get off the QEW Waze will find them the best possible detour. I don't think it is such a big pain, given the circumstances.

I'm happy to hear what you all think about my suggestion.

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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby doctorkb » Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:22 am

And that is very close to what we are talking about.

It isn't direct (still needs to be processed by Waze staff) but at least it's guaranteed to work inside of a business day.
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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby manoeuvre » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:34 pm

The tile update schedule is just not reliable enough to close such a high-valued freeway. Lets say the road is open on Monday, we could have a delay of up to a week before the tiles update.

I'd prefer if we had back-end access like what they do with Waze Mega Events or feedthewaze. So we can add/remove road closures in real-time. Possibly with the option of where if multiple wazers drive through the entire segment the closure is lifted.
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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby invented » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:46 pm

doctorkb wrote:
invented wrote:I just tried to route over that way and it's telling me to go on the (closed) skyway segment, obviously now because no traffic is being reported on it compared to the crammed Eastport Dr. Closures reported in the app are not permanent functions; they expire. One can start a route from points east of this closure, and when it's not currently set, it will give them a wildly inaccurate ETA. I say put on restrictions or disconnect the segment until we have a firm date of re-opening.


Unless it's VERY serious and VERY long term, please don't disconnect. That's the old way of doing things.

Certainly put a restriction on, however.

We'll be updating this process to be similar to the US's (basically a back-end access to close roads that looks similar on the client to when they're closed by client reports -- they'll have the construction barricade icon, etc.) in the next few weeks -- we can specify durations . Stay tuned! :)

The twin structures carry about a 150,000+ AADT and one of them is shut down. It is quite serious, but the duration of the closure is so far unknown (at least the weekend, maybe for a few weeks to come).
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Re: Burlington Skyway restrictions

Postby doctorkb » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:36 pm

invented wrote:I just tried to route over that way and it's telling me to go on the (closed) skyway segment, obviously now because no traffic is being reported on it compared to the crammed Eastport Dr. Closures reported in the app are not permanent functions; they expire. One can start a route from points east of this closure, and when it's not currently set, it will give them a wildly inaccurate ETA. I say put on restrictions or disconnect the segment until we have a firm date of re-opening.


Unless it's VERY serious and VERY long term, please don't disconnect. That's the old way of doing things.

Certainly put a restriction on, however.

We'll be updating this process to be similar to the US's (basically a back-end access to close roads that looks similar on the client to when they're closed by client reports -- they'll have the construction barricade icon, etc.) in the next few weeks -- we can specify durations . Stay tuned! :)
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