Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby doctorkb » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:55 am

Well, if it helps any, Calgary and Edmonton's LRT lines are largely in there -- if only to reduce those stupid errors from people wazing on the train...
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby james8970 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:54 am

Contacted Spil for further clarification. If private roads segment penalties are what you suggest, I'd be fine with enabling turn restrictions along Graham, but I'm still hesitant to connect the rapid transit line. The transit buses travel too quickly and avoid numerous junctions and congested traffic, which makes me wonder if the penalty will be enough. I'm not convinced that it's worth connecting the rapid transit line to the road network in Waze as I don't see any real benefit other than eliminating automated errors that are easy enough to ignore - although my OCD finds them difficult to ignore at times :evil:
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby doctorkb » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:31 am

Yeah, because it was a discussion around sentried access points and what they should be called.
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby james8970 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:30 am

Jamaroon wrote:I see, I was thinking private wouldn't be allowed at all.

As for Graham, I didn't mean the intersecting streets, I meant allow Graham to go straight through the intersections. For ex, Graham at Hargrave, allow Graham to continue to the next portion of Graham but not turn onto Hargrave. The turn restrictions are right for Hargrave and Donald etc. That would at least cut down on the turn restriction errors generated by Waze for that area at least.


Again, this comes down to the fact that I want to increase the penalty by every means possible, otherwise Waze could potentially try to route someone down Graham for one block.

I remember reading from one of them recently that there is a HUGE penalty for *exiting* a private road -- so much that Waze won't use it in routing unless it is absolutely necessary in order to make it to the destination...

Are you sure it was private roads? I was under the impression that that was the case for parking lots. Best practice is to list transit routes as private roads, which is why I never switched them to parking lot roads.

I've just been scaling back my OCD lately and quit fixing those automated error reports :lol:
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby doctorkb » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:23 am

Hey James -- can I suggest you consult the Champs on this?

I remember reading from one of them recently that there is a HUGE penalty for *exiting* a private road -- so much that Waze won't use it in routing unless it is absolutely necessary in order to make it to the destination...
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby Jamaroon » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:21 am

I see, I was thinking private wouldn't be allowed at all.

As for Graham, I didn't mean the intersecting streets, I meant allow Graham to go straight through the intersections. For ex, Graham at Hargrave, allow Graham to continue to the next portion of Graham but not turn onto Hargrave. The turn restrictions are right for Hargrave and Donald etc. That would at least cut down on the turn restriction errors generated by Waze for that area at least.
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby james8970 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:37 am

From what I've been reading, that's the recommended way, and it would reduce the amount of reported errors, while still not allowing WAZE to route commuters down those roads. Or can WAZE still route to a private road?

You got it. Due to the significant time savings from the rapid transit line, Waze would likely route you down there when it made sense, despite it being marked as a private road. That is why I disconnected it, so I that I could remove any chance of Waze attempting to route someone down there. As far as those error message go, I quit hitting resolved. I even placed something on there telling people not to use Waze on the bus, but people still continue to do so...

For the downtown bus route, the intersections have no turns allowed at all, why not allow the bus route to go straight through, but keep the intersecting roads from turning on to it?

Take another look at it, from what I'm looking at, that's exactly how it is setup. Cars aren't supposed to travel down parts of Graham. In order to increase the penalty associated with the route, I changed the segments to private AND disabled all turns arrows applicable exclusively to the buses. The arrows are still enabled, although traffic to travel north and south bound streets that travel through Graham.

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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby Jamaroon » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:33 am

James,

I'm curious as to why you don't have the Bus only routes connecting to other roads with proper turn restrictions since they are marked as private?

From what I've been reading, that's the recommended way, and it would reduce the amount of reported errors, while still not allowing WAZE to route commuters down those roads. Or can WAZE still route to a private road?

For the downtown bus route, the intersections have no turns allowed at all, why not allow the bus route to go straight through, but keep the intersecting roads from turning on to it?
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby Jamaroon » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:09 pm

Thanks James
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Re: Winnipeg and Manitoba Wazers unite!

Postby james8970 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:26 am

Fixed.
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