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Post by SnapJag
I am fixing a problem reported by Waze where the roads are too far apart for turns, etc. I began to fix the problem. All is going well, however I need help to create the intersections across a Level 5 roadway. Can someone help finish that off?

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Post by AndyPoms
First off, please do not use URL shorteners because we can't tell what's behind them - just post the full Permalink URL.

Second, these requests should be posted in the Board index ‹ Map ‹ Editing ‹ Unlock request forum (following the guidelines laid out in the READ FIRST! Request instruction SUMMARY... post at the top of the forum.

Third, have you read When (Not) to Split a Two-Way Road in the Waze Wiki? Parkway Blvd doesn't really meet the requirements to be split (specifically the "The non-drivable median is interrupted by a cross segment at most intersections." clause), and the way you split it does not conform to standard practice (the mid-block split - that's the way Google does it, Waze is not Google and does not use Google-style splits).

Lastly, when you created the eastbound segment, you lost all the associated eastbound data, what you should have done is to take the existing two way segment, cut it into smaller chunks and then extended those to make the new segments - thus preserving the associated data.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me here or via PM (link at right --->).
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Post by AndyPoms
SnapJag wrote:Question:
So, with all that being said, where a split shouldn't happen, what would be your recommendation for fixing the error on the Bangerter-eastbound turn that Waze was identifying was too far away from the turn and the recommendation was to put a segment closer to the GPS identified turn average turn pattern?
The preferred method is to nudge the intersection a little bit in that direction (depending on how long the "missing" chunk is - this takes some finesse and a little back and forth to find the "sweet spot" for the intersection... Alternatively, at some excessively large intersections creating the right turn lanes (even though they are not separated from the main road by an island/median) can be helpful. If you go with the second option, make sure the geometry of the segments trigger a "turn" instruction rather than a "keep" instruction.

Remember, these automated Map Problem reports are things to look at, not things that must be fixed (i.e. drive-thrus, small parking lots, etc)...
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Post by AndyPoms
I was hoping you would do as much of the work to put it back as you could first, which is why I left it alone until your other post.

The permissions scheme is a little odd until you get used to it - and there are plans to change it even more in the near future (it's currently undergoing beta testing).
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Post by Daknife
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. Snap please ease off on parking lots most of what you pave does not need to be done. And most of it will soon be undone by me or one of the AM's working the Valley.

I'm not a big fan of locking things just to be locking them, so when you run across a level 5 lock in the Salt Lake Valley, odds are it's mine and it's there for a reason.

Sorry I didn't see your posts earlier, not sure why, I did skim the forums Friday but didn't see them until now.

Please add me to your mental list of people to PM if you have a question. I try to be very responsive but it's the holidays and things do tend to get busy at times. Another name to keep in mind in pnordi one of the AM's and a very good editor too.

Also sorry about the short rude reply in the unlock request forum re the area around the Maverick Center.

A bit more on the business park area. I spent several hours a few months ago cleaning up because someone else had decided to go in and split roads that do not qualify (btw the criteria is a 15 meter divided median, not clear space between the GPS tracks at 100m zoom.) The split was poorly done and thus needed to be undone. Thus all the traffic circles are locked to try to prevent further attempts to split the roads there without having to lock the entire complex.

Also please do not put landmarks for random businesses, parking lots for businesses or bodies of water. I recommend you see the Thread here in the Utah sub-forum about landmarks. It states clearly what are acceptable and what are not. You've probably seen many such places landmarked, but you've also probably seen those landmarks disappear. There is a reason for this. Please follow the Landmark guidelines it the mentioned thread. Those landmarks are as established by consensus (or as close to it as we ever manage to get) among the CM's as found in the Landmarks thread in the Wiki editing sub-forum.
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Post by SnapJag
I need this northern parking lot road unlocked, it's a Level 5 parking lot road for some reason. Thanks, http://goo.gl/puymX
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Post by SnapJag
Thanks for the information, that helps a lot.

Responses for each of your points:
1) OK, no shorteners, it's a habit, I'll use the permalink directly.
2) Posting in the wrong place, thanks for clarifying, I read the intro first, but didn't identify with that. Not sure why I didn't pick up on that, I think I found a different example somewhere else so I was following a standard, but that example must have been a wrong example ;) .

3) I tried to find something, but it was difficult to find, as I never found it. Now I have a direct link. You have specified one item that it doesn't meet splitting requirements. But actually, there is one that it DOES meet splitting requirements "GPS tracks show a clearly definable gap (blank area) between the color-by-azimuth arrows at the 100m zoom level." which is whole reason I started that was because Waze identified a "problem" in my area and made this recommendation. So I proceeded thoughtfully. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat ... s=70281306

4) Understood. More information. These were not already existing two-way segments. I split them. So if I missed some pieces, it was not on purpose and an oversight. Second, I can't split into smaller segments because I can't create a intersections on a Level 5 road "Bangerter", thus the original question and petition for help. Else I would have done smaller segments. Also, I understand there is a Google method and a Waze method and i wouldn't have done a mid Divider split, but because the intersection (Parking Lot Road) from the second post above is a Level 5 (which in my opinion shouldn't be, but you could clarify better why it is). I wanted to be thoughtful about how many changes I had to do and this would have created more problems had I tried to pass through this Parking Lot Road and couldn't because of Level 5 lock. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat ... s=70281306

Hope that information helps to identify what was occurring, what I need help with, etc.

Thanks for the instructions on what to do, that helps me to learn.

Questions still remain:
1) Waze identified a problem where the Bangerter-eastbound turn that Waze was identifying was too far away from the actual avergae GPS turn. Waze system recommendation was to put a segment closer to the GPS identified average turn pattern. What is your recommendation to fix this if what I was doing isn't correct? I feel it was the right choice, even after considering the link you gave me, it's too far a way and a two-way road instead of the existing single road was necessary to clear up that problem.
2) These lock requests haven't been fulfilled yet. I will suppose that your asking me to post these to the Unlock forum. I'll go over there and do that. I figured the best choice was to submit to where a Utah AM could assist.
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Post by SnapJag
I see. When you say "keep" versus a "turn", would refer to the degree of the angle. I would interpret that as a sharper turn/degree versus a smoother/keep signal. Right?

Ok. Look at the problems and see if they really need fixing. OK. I'll remember that as an option and possibly a primary conclusion.
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Post by SnapJag
As a reference to this post, I am identifying with the fix of the road. Thanks.

FYI. Last night, I tried to put it back noticing the obstacles of the Level 5 lock, but the Level 5 lock caused me to not be able to put it back. So, is it a bug that I was able to change the intersection. And then I couldn't put it back. Just a thought. Thanks for fixing it.
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Post by SnapJag
Sorry, it wasn't clear for me to put it back or I would've done that. Thanks for the help as I would've still need the help across the Bangerter street. I will put the other one back now.

Thanks again. I learned a lot from your help, you're very knowledgeable. Thanks.
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