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Access to A465 Eastbound at Gilwern

Post by jakieg
Changes needed to a very short section of Main Road, Gilwern and the A465 access ramp following recent works - this is at the western end of the village. The access ramp should not reach as far as the Station Road junction - that short section is actually a two-way and still part of Main Road, Gilwern. From Station Road it is possible to turn left so as to access the A465 eastbound. Details in the comment here ID: 233898502.-1955982274.219482.

Also please release the lock on the access ramps so that they can be kept up-to-date during the dualling works taking place until Oct 2019.

Please also release the locks around the A465 Saleyeard junction a mile or so to the west of Gilwern, including Main Road, Church Road and other minor roads - there are frequently changing re-alignments and road closures to accommodate completion of the junction. Some road names also need adding or correcting.

Thank you.
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Post by jakieg
Thanks for a quick response. The Gilwern Station Road/Main Road/A465 junction now looks correct. There should be further changes in the next few weeks as the road is moved to the new alignment and the dual carriageway properly established.

Re the narrow streets, these lanes are very narrow and can only work with small single vehicles - passing places are very, very limited. While the dualling works are going on people have been trying to use them as rat-runs during A465 closures and there have been numerous accidents and property damage caused by vans and lorries, by cars trying to squeeze past one another and by a few vans and lorries actually getting stuck. The addition of a time penalty on traversing them is probably fair and useful.
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Post by woodvale
Hi, welcome to the forums!

I've made the change you requested and that should go live in a couple of days when the Waze map updates.

Regarding future changes, we usually expect editors to have achieved Area Manager status before we downlock strategic highways for them to make changes, owing to the damage that can easily be caused accidentally by even senior editors (e.g. Main Rd not being two-way between the junction with Station Rd and the ramps to/from the A465). We normally lock Major Highways and the ramps leading to/from them at L4, downlocking them for a short time to allow changes to be made and then relocked to L4 again.

Please request access in this forum on a case-by-case basis, using permalinks to identify the segments you want down-locked. Depending on the scale of the changes, senior editors may make the changes directly rather than unlock, wait for you to make the change, then request uplocking again.

By the way, I've noticed that you've changed a lot of the roads around here to be Narrow Streets. This segment type was introduced globally to meet the need of a lot of Asian countries where streets may be only accessible on motor-bikes. Although we haven't reached the decision yet of not permitting the segment type to be used at all (see this thread for some views expressed by Country admins and Champs), if those roads are suitable for the vast majority of cars and taxis, they should be set as Streets.

The segment type only adds a penalty, which may encourage Waze only to offer routes avoiding them when the vast majority of cars and taxis could have taken the direct route, so the general rule is to avoid using the Narrow Street segment type completely.
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Post by woodvale
I understand your point about the roads being used as rat-runs. However, as vans and trucks shouldn't be using Waze, we don't have to take them into account at all. As Iainhouse said in that thread I pointed you to:
I have sympathy for drivers of large vehicles, but they are a small minority. Certainly any restriction of 6' or larger is passable by the majority of vehicles Waze is intended for and should not be restricted. Arguing that drivers may need to slow down considerably to pass a 6' restriction is silly. If people need to slow down, Waze will pick up that in the history and choose routes appropriately. Going down a road where you have to slow for a tight restriction may still be quicker than an alternate route - just like sitting in a traffic jam may still be better than taking a longer (or slower) alternate route or sitting in a different, bigger traffic jam.
The objective is to allow Wazers to find, and use, the fastest route. During closures of the A465, which Waze may not know about because we don't get a feed from Traffic Wales which can be used by the Closure Monitor, those roads are legitimate routes for Wazers to use without being diverted away by artifical penalties. Waze will know the speeds that are normal for these roads, and soon identify delays when diverting traffic builds up and slows down. It's for that reason that the US has banned the use of Narrow Streets and the UK is tending towards going that route too.
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