Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations etc

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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby petervdveen » Wed May 15, 2013 3:10 pm

davipt wrote:
petervdveen wrote:About the features not working in Poland.
The U-turns function should work.


Don't work at all in Portugal.

You cannot set U-turns?
You don't see the U-turn icon?

petervdveen wrote:The Housenumbers should work.


Not working in Portugal. Search doesn't even use the internal street names, much less the house numbers.

Of course. The bing database is used. What do you suspect.
As stated lots of times before. This is just for data gathering till the moment the Waze DB will be used as primary data source.

petervdveen wrote:The state function is being worked on, but for a lot of european countries that's not necessary.


The state is gonna be yet another feature that will be designed for a set of countries and have no meaning for the rest of the world. What is a state in most countries? Usually the country has administrative regions and sub-regions and sub-sub-regions, whatever they are called locally, but in the end are they even relevant? Poland has no states, has 16 Voivodeships, like Germany has 16 Länder, Portugal has 18 distritos, all of each sub-divided into municipalities or similar, and those sub-sub-divided into smaller things. All of them are irrelevant for Waze, all of them have different names, and where one draws the line, at one division, or 4 like Portugal? Maybe one day there will be the country of Europe and the states of Poland, Portugal and Germany.

Correct.
We have 12 provinces in the netherlands, but for navigating I don't see why I would need them.
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby davipt » Wed May 15, 2013 3:20 pm

petervdveen wrote:
davipt wrote:
petervdveen wrote:The U-turns function should work

Don't work at all in Portugal.

You cannot set U-turns?
You don't see the U-turn icon?

I have enabled U-Turns in certain places where I always do a U-turn. The client keeps sending me somewhere else to turn back. So no, U-turns don't work on the client.

petervdveen wrote:The Housenumbers should work.


Not working in Portugal. Search doesn't even use the internal street names, much less the house numbers.

Of course. The bing database is used. What do you suspect.
As stated lots of times before. This is just for data gathering till the moment the Waze DB will be used as primary data source.

These two cases are proof that there is already a tendency to allow editors to populate information even way before the information is used somewhere. Hence the idea of using the alt-street to start adding alternative street names, just with the caveat of tagging what type of alternative it is. I don't think anyone can say at all this is incorrect or unrelated usage. The only question, as I stated multiple times, is how to add the tag, if we wait for the field from waze, or if we abuse the alt-city in the meantime. I'd prefer the former.


petervdveen wrote:We have 12 provinces in the netherlands, but for navigating I don't see why I would need them.

Exactly. But they were enabled in Canada. And I'm afraid one day they get enabled in Europe, and people will start using the field for what it's not meant for. Just want us all to agree that State is something US only that should have never been exposed to other countries to avoid confusion.
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby petervdveen » Wed May 15, 2013 4:19 pm

Don't agree to that 100%
Maybe for some countries it will work.

But I've spoken with shira recently and she said it can be set on or off per country ;-)
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby davipt » Wed May 15, 2013 4:25 pm

Ok I shouldn't have used the "never", but won't you agreed the cause confusion? Are three states in Canada? Ok now with the editor translations they can rename it provinces or regions or whatever it's called there but I still recall when the dashboard was showing state instead of country on the intl and people was quite confused with it.


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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby petervdveen » Wed May 15, 2013 4:29 pm

Of course.
Everyone is confused.

Nobody knows anything,even the waze employees I sometimes have the idea they have no clue about what's happening...

This of course has to change radically, but I don not see it happening.
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby berestovskyy » Wed May 15, 2013 10:13 pm

Regarding gas stations. Well, unfortunately in Poland we have gaps in Aerials, so it's not easy to map streets, not to mention gas stations and house numbers :(

And we have house numbers with letters, odd and even numbers on the same side of the street etc. Neither Bing nor Google address searches work here. Waze search does not work too.

As to administrative division. We have many villages and towns with the same name, and even two counties with the same name. So, we have issues naming and searching them. We asked about administrative division few times.

I'm glad there are countries which are happy with Waze as it is. All I'm trying here is to change Waze a bit, so we could also enjoy it as you are ;)

Thanks everyone for your feedback!
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby petervdveen » Wed May 15, 2013 10:39 pm

Maybe it's a good idea to search for free available petrol station databases.
Also you can send an email to all petrol station brand, if they have geo coded data freely available.

For housenumbers you can do the same.
You can contact the governement. Probably they have this information.

But first contact anyone of waze, so you're sure you can ask for the correct information ;-)
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby edsonajj » Thu May 16, 2013 3:43 am

I can tell you that most countries in Latin America can benefit from the states feature, as we have administrative regions that are equivalent to those in the US. For the examples on Portugal, Germany and Poland I don't see why the respective administrative regions could not be put in the state field (even if they are not the exactly states); there might be further sub-divisions but I still think that having information on the broad administrative regions for each country is better than not having it.
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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby petervdveen » Thu May 16, 2013 7:56 am

Ofcourse we can add state data for all countries.
The Netherlands has 12 provinces, but what benefit would it have to add this info?

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Re: Alternate street names for TTS, zip codes, abbreviations

Postby dmcconachie » Thu May 16, 2013 8:03 am

petervdveen wrote:Ofcourse we can add state data for all countries.
The Netherlands has 12 provinces, but what benefit would it have to add this info?

Improvements to search and avoidance of duplicate town/city names. We've asked for this feature in the UK for 3 years!
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