The (County) Suffix

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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby TonyG-UK » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:24 pm

Hey Tim, I agree with you - for a change ;)

I already removed it from my AM area a while ago.
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:07 pm

The ayes have it.

If you spot a large town that needs renaming, I'll start a new thread for those requests.

[Leicester was requested and added to the list - posts deleted]
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:12 pm

dknight212 wrote:
Major A-roads that pass through or go around a town may be set to have No City.


Why not just say, major A-roads may (should?) be set to have No City.

Possibly, though I feel that A-roads that form part of the inner-town road network (with names like High St) should perhaps retain the city name.

However, I'm really not sure it makes any difference either way, so maybe it's not worth worrying about? It might be best to remove this line altogether...
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:35 pm

Given the general support for this, I propose the following new wording for the Wiki (at the bottom):
> http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/How_ ... es_-_DRAFT

Don't forget to vote in the poll at the beginning of the thread!
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:11 am

I don't think we want to lock our cities just yet, as there are a lot villages around.
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:31 pm

hailstorm wrote:When I do a search on world.waze.com/livemap it comes up with the county. For example type is Cheltenham. The search suggestions it comes up with is Cheltenham, Glos, United Kingdom. Where does the search get Glos from then? Does it use this suffix for that?

Search results for the LiveMap come from Bing, I believe, so the suffix doesn't make a difference here either.
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:49 pm

robin1979 wrote:If you deliver a file with all towns to Waze, Waze can import them, and lock the addition of new cities. We've done that in the Netherlands, and it pretty much solves the problem of random city names and smudges.

Thanks robin, that's good to know. Where does the WazeID come from?
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The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:02 pm

I know this is opening a fairly large can of worms, but I'd like to see the advice in the Wiki changed so that the "(County)" suffix is only added when absolutely necessary. My supporting arguments are as follows:-

Smudges: The map editor does not allow a new town to be created that is too far away from an existing town with the same name. This was the primary reason for the suffix, and so we no longer need to be adding it 'just in case' there's another town with the same name.

Searches: The suffix doesn't appear when searching for a town in the Waze app, so it's no use there. I also expect most users to be searching for a specific address anyway.

The Map: Towns with suffixes look simply horrid on the map, and is unnecessary clutter.

Cities: There are 53 cities in the UK [1], all unique and well known. Many of which are large enough to need split up into smaller sub-regions. No room or need for the suffix here.

Towns: There are 929 towns in England [2], and all bar 14 of them have unique names. Let's keep the town names clean, and only add the suffix to those 14.

State field: The suffix is just a hack until we get a proper state (county) field in the editor (which may never happen). If it does magically appear, then we can ask Waze to set the field using geographic data, rather than parsing them out of city names.


Now, I'm not suggesting that we have to go and rename all the towns manually before the next map update, but we should at least consider changing the rule for new towns that get added, and gradually work on the existing ones over time. We can ask Waze to help too, if there are specific towns that need tidying up.

My tuppence. :)
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby robin1979 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:30 am

ditchi56 wrote:
Timbones wrote:There are 929 towns in England
robin1979 wrote:If you deliver a file with all towns to Waze, Waze can import them, and lock the addition of new cities.

Not arguing against the proposal for removing the (county).

However, many of the entries in the "city" field in England are neither cities nor towns but villages. So restricting possible values of "city" using a predefined list of cities and towns would be a much bigger change. Using a predefined list of cities, towns and villages would be fine if someone could find such a list - or we could continue to allow editors freedom as now.

Incidentally, the use of "city" for village names is entirely consistent with usage in the homeland of Waze. In the US, "cities" frequently have less than 100 inhabitants.


Yeah, list of villages is probably correct for the UK then. When I refer to list of cities, I just use Waze terminology. You guys should define what's best (and in line with other navigation resources/addressing ofc.).
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby robin1979 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:26 pm

If you deliver a file with all towns to Waze, Waze can import them, and lock the addition of new cities. We've done that in the Netherlands, and it pretty much solves the problem of random city names and smudges. See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... 4cEE#gid=0 .
(Columns:
A: Registration ID in the national address database
B: Name in the national address database
C: Official name
D: Waze ID
E: Name in Waze
F: English name - not really used yet)

(We had some duplications as well, and we postfixed the duplicates with a county postfix (and a couple with a city postfix, because they were duplicate within the county)).

If you need more info, we can have a chat about this.
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