The (County) Suffix

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The (County) Suffix

Postby NinjaKid2002 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:38 pm

hailstorm wrote:It's (Glos) :P Clearly says so here: http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/How_ ... reviations


Then I guess it's just as well that I cover Derbs and Staffs mainly!
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The (County) Suffix

Postby NinjaKid2002 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:35 pm

Agreed, especially as no-one seems to be able to decide if it's (Glous) or (Gloucs) or (Glocs) etc!
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The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:02 pm

I know this is opening a fairly large can of worms, but I'd like to see the advice in the Wiki changed so that the "(County)" suffix is only added when absolutely necessary. My supporting arguments are as follows:-

Smudges: The map editor does not allow a new town to be created that is too far away from an existing town with the same name. This was the primary reason for the suffix, and so we no longer need to be adding it 'just in case' there's another town with the same name.

Searches: The suffix doesn't appear when searching for a town in the Waze app, so it's no use there. I also expect most users to be searching for a specific address anyway.

The Map: Towns with suffixes look simply horrid on the map, and is unnecessary clutter.

Cities: There are 53 cities in the UK [1], all unique and well known. Many of which are large enough to need split up into smaller sub-regions. No room or need for the suffix here.

Towns: There are 929 towns in England [2], and all bar 14 of them have unique names. Let's keep the town names clean, and only add the suffix to those 14.

State field: The suffix is just a hack until we get a proper state (county) field in the editor (which may never happen). If it does magically appear, then we can ask Waze to set the field using geographic data, rather than parsing them out of city names.


Now, I'm not suggesting that we have to go and rename all the towns manually before the next map update, but we should at least consider changing the rule for new towns that get added, and gradually work on the existing ones over time. We can ask Waze to help too, if there are specific towns that need tidying up.

My tuppence. :)
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Timbones » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:07 pm

The ayes have it.

If you spot a large town that needs renaming, I'll start a new thread for those requests.

[Leicester was requested and added to the list - posts deleted]
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby CTCNetwork » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:03 am

Hi,

This forum needs a thank you button! :)

Thank You!

Des. . . ;)
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby floppyrod84 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:26 pm

Of course, but for any newer editors reading, if you're not sure, leave it blank and ask :-)

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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby CTCNetwork » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:53 pm

Hi,
Dave2084 wrote:
xteejx wrote:Agreed, *except* where a boundary cannot be defined easily, or setting a whole segment will cause a creep, so basically high streets etc only imo.


If naming a segment will cause creep, I always split the segment.

Yep, adding a junction where the sign is or where it is obvious that the town/village has ended (that good old "best guess" or common sense approach). Breaks the segment and allows the correct naming to be completed. :)

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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby Dave2084 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:19 pm

xteejx wrote:Agreed, *except* where a boundary cannot be defined easily, or setting a whole segment will cause a creep, so basically high streets etc only imo.


If naming a segment will cause creep, I always split the segment.
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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby floppyrod84 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:10 pm

Agreed, *except* where a boundary cannot be defined easily, or setting a whole segment will cause a creep, so basically high streets etc only imo.

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Re: The (County) Suffix

Postby CTCNetwork » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:05 pm

Hi,
xteejx wrote:As long as roads in that vicinity have City set, the Major/Minor road would show that anyway.

Most roads passing through any village/town will have defining signage to say that you are now entering x town/village. Ergo you add the city field at this point. Obviously some towns/villages are tight fisted buggers and forget some of the signs on more minor roads entering the town/village! In which case best guess or common sense needs to be employed.

Most, if not all, roads also have a road/street name. This should always be included wherever possible.

Des. . . ;)
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