Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

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Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:19 pm

Recently I've been involved in or come across several problems related to long-term road closures caused by roadworks. The problem is that there are quite a few people editing the maps now - and it can be difficult for us to know who has done what and why. There are several potential problems:

  • An editor may disconnect a road that is closed for several months. Someone else may come along, not realise why it has been disconnected and re-connect it, or make other changes, or simply waste time trying to work out why it's disconnected.
  • We don't all have great memories - I can't even remember where I left mine ;) . We might make an alteration that should be there for 3 months and not remember to come back and fix it.
  • Not everyone stays with Waze forever. (Traitors :evil: ). There are areas of the map covered in the names of editors who haven't touched it for months or years - names I've never heard of, but some of you will recognise. How many un-reverted changes have they left behind?
  • Closures may end early and be noticed by someone other than the original editor.
  • The editor who originally finds the problem may not have rights to make necessary changes or may lose them. (In my case, I initiated some alterations and FTW near the Barbican in Central London after finding a UR there. But since then my editing rights for that area have been lost.)

So what I would like to suggest is that we have a UK sub-forum where we can record roadworks that have needed a temporary change to the map. If our updates get quicker, there are only going to be more of these.

The topic would be titled with the location of the roadworks. We could, perhaps, prepend [PENDING], [IN PROGRESS] or [COMPLETED] to the start of the OP title to help organise them. The original post could also be updated with a summary of progress.

Each topic would contain as much information as possible including things like:

  • Permalink
  • Description of the roadworks
  • Dates of closures/alterations
  • Any available links to web sites with details of the works
  • Any Feed The Waze notices set up

We could also use the Livemap to post a UR at the location with a link to the relevant topic. In that way, when you come across a user UR caused by roadworks that are already known about and being dealt with, you don't have to search around to find the reason for the user UR.

I don't know how useful this will be countrywide. I certainly think it will be useful here in London, where we have several very active AMs overlapping and plenty of new users coming to edit the maps.

I will follow up this post with a sample of what I'm thinking of. I would greatly appreciate your comments.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby CTCNetwork » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:35 pm

Hi,

It would actually be nice to be able to add a "closure" on the map and the reason why it is there so that potential future editor can see why a change was made and when it is due to change back.

But then it would also be nice to win a multi roll over Euro-millions lottery!

I suspect the latter will happen sooner!

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[IN PROGRESS] Sydenham Road, London

Postby iainhouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:38 pm

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Sydenham High Street Regeneration

Lewisham Council are doing a major project to regenerate Sydenham Road - from Cobbs Corner (junction with Kirkdale) down to Mayow Road (council website link). Work starts in September 2012 and will go on until September 2013. Changes relevant to routing will include some temporary road closures and the permanent closure of the south end of Queensthorpe Road. All carriageway work will be suspended between 5th November 2012 and 13th January 2013 to avoid disruption to Christmas trading.

Current Status
Christmas suspension is in effect.
Queensthorpe Road south end permanently closed - disconnected.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:39 pm

Changes made yesterday (21/11/12)

I drove up there last night. The south end of Queensthorpe Road has now been closed. I don't know what happened to the "Christmas suspension" - it was open on the 15th! I have disconnected the segment.

The north end of Venner Road is also closed off but it is a short dead-end, so I haven't bothered disconnecting it.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:40 pm

That's it - those are my "example" posts - although the example is a real situation.

You may now all tell me what a wally I am. :lol:
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby woodvale » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:45 pm

Overall in agreement with the suggestion. There's a potential problem in that it might get rapidly as up to date as the A-road progress reporting on the wiki, ie not, but anything is better than leaving no clue as to why particular changes, and road-severance in particular, have occurred.

An example of my own: the Greyhound Lane railway bridge at Streatham Common Station is closed for rebuilding until April 2013. I've amended the road name with the details of the closure as a way of recording the details. I've also added a reminder to my personal diary to go back and check the state of progress in March. I'm sure URs will start to be raised if it remains closed on the map after it's reopened in the real world, but I thought it best to remind myself to visit nearer the planned reopening date. However, I accept it is not always possible to leave that sort of information in a way that is easily visible.

If this was recorded in a topic on the forum, and I turned up my toes between now and then (as far as I'm concerned, the only valid reason for leaving Waze ;) ), then at least it's recorded for someone else to note and reverse the changes.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby loadbang » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:59 am

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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:29 am

simonhowes wrote:http://feedthe.waze.hu


Does that mean anyone can sign up to FTW? I thought it was only available to particular people.

In any case, FTW would only be part of keeping track of what's going on. And, of course, it doesn't actually affect routing. It's most useful when the closure is too brief to sort out whilst waiting for updates. If we get 2 updates a week, that's going to be far fewer of them. :D
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby floppyrod84 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:49 am

Anyone can sign up iirc but there are managers that will need to approve requests similar to AMs here. Might need to nudge those on twitter. Whereabouts are we talking about? If its Kent its me, London dknight212 etc.

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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby dmcconachie » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:05 am

In short, anyone can request a login and become a Reporter. However your reports need to be authorized by a Feed Manager.

If there is no Feed Manager for your area, either your reports will sit there unauthorised or you can request to become a Feed Manager yourself.

FMs are authorised by Country Managers (currently separate from Waze CMs but potentially merged eventually).
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