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Re: New WME and Places

Postby NorfolkMustard » Tue May 27, 2014 8:18 pm

For the time being, there's plenty to do now we can set the navigation points of migrated place:areas :up

So, parking.

AIUI, UK guidance has, upto now, used the logic that if you're using waze you're assumed to be in a car and therefore the destination waze should take you to (and therefore sometimes the only needed landmark for a place) is the carpark. Entirely logical to me.

The generic (but US biased) wiki page for Places:ParkingLot uses very strong language against this for some very common UK scenarios - most notably supermarkets/shopping centres/stadiums

If you ignore the Places spin on it:
It just boils down to a difference in how we/they treat parking. So, do we use this opportunity to change how we treat parking, or else it's an easy decision to just delete that bit and replace with the current UK guidance.

not ignoring the Places spin, but keeping UK parking guidance
With Places you can add many sub-categories to a Place:area, including "Parking Lot"

suggestion: enlarge existing shopping/stadia building landmarks to encompass the adjacent parking, add a "Parking Lot" sub-class, move the Place:area destination marker to the entrance/parking lot road nearest the entrance. Delete the migrated/existing parking lot landmark. Or, vice-versa. Leave the existing ParkingLot Area, but add a sub-class for shopping center (sic) etc and expand it to cover the buildings.
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:17 am

Tiles updated to 10th June this morning
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:29 pm

Once search is working we'll know how being a secondary category effects a search for car-park. It could turn out to be OK for distinguishing public v. customer parking.
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:01 pm

Pip (et al) change to UK english editor and you'll get better names

https://www.waze.com/en-GB/editor/

Movie Theatre = Cinema
Kindergarten = Playgroup / Nursery
Gas Station = Petrol Station
Parking Lot = Car Park
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:24 pm

It was something Orit mentioned to me in the Pub on Friday. The vast majority of UK editors aren't using the UK English localised editor pages.
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:49 pm

Full list here in case it's useful.

Places @ 20140629
Localisation: UK English
From: https://www.waze.com/en-GB/editor/

Car Services:
Petrol station
Car Park
Garage
Car Wash
Charging Station

Transportation:
Airport
Bus Station
Ferry Pier
Seaport / Marina / Harbor
Underground Station
Train Station
Bridge
Tunnel
Taxi Rank
Junction / Interchange

Professional and Public:
College / University
School
Conventions / Event Center
Government
Library
City Hall
Organisation or Association
Prison / Detention Centre
Courthouse
Cemetery
Fire Station
Police Station
Military
Hospital / Medical Centre
Offices
Post Office
Religious Centre
Playgroup / Nursery
Factory / Industrial
Embassy / Consulate
Information Point

Shopping and Services:
Arts & Crafts
Bank / Financial
Sporting Goods
Bookshop
Photography
Car Dealership
Fashion and Clothing
Shop
Personal Care
Department Store
Pharmacy
Electronics
Florist
Furniture / Home Store
Gifts
Gym / Fitness
Swimming Pool
Hardware Store
Market
Supermarket / Grocery
Jewellery
Laundry / Dry Clean
Shopping Centre
Music Store
Pet Store / Veterinarian Services
Toy Store
Travel Agency
ATM
Currency Exchange
Car Rental

Food and Drink:
Restaurant
Bakery
Dessert
Café
Fast Food
Food Court
Bar
Ice Cream

Culture and Entertainment:
Art Gallery
Casino
Club
Tourist Attraction / Historic Site
Cinema
Museum
Music Venue
Performing Arts Venue
Game Club
Stadium / Arena
Theme Park
Zoo / Aquarium
Racing Track
Theatre

Other:
Residence / Home
Construction Site

Lodging:
Hotel
Hostel
Camping / Caravan Park
Cottage / Cabin
Bed & Breakfast

Outdoors:
Park
Playground
Beach
Sports Court
Golf Course
Plaza
Promenade
Pool
Scenic Lookout / Viewpoint
Ski Area

Natural Features:
Island
Sea / Lake / Pool
River / Stream
Forest / Wood
Farm
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:04 pm

woodvale wrote:
Do we know if there are any other differences (apart from Category names)?


There's the small matter of road types, too:

Freeway = Motorway
Walking Trail = Footpath
Railroad = Railway
Runway/Taxiway = Runway

If most of us aren't using it, though, perhaps best we standardize on the default for now to avoid confusion until some kind of country default can be enabled.
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby NorfolkMustard » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:35 pm

I'd say either of the first two.
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby PealRinger » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:45 pm

Firstly I'm struggling with the whole concept of 'mapping' individual premises.

Why do we need to start mapping shops/pubs/offices etc when we have Google and Foursquare for that?.. and hopefully more partners to come.
I agree with the other comments that it's too much work and personally, adding and updating shop names does not interest me in the slightest, never mind all the URs that this could generate.

I just can't see that we have the resources to keep that level of information accurate and up-to-date - and bad data is often worse than no data!


In any case, I actually think it's nigh on impossible to navigate to premises to that level of detail.
For instance, when going to a shop/restaurant, where do you want to be taken?
  • The front door
  • The nearest car park
  • A cheaper car park slightly further away
  • The nearest free car park
  • The delivery bay round the back
It could be any of the above based on the circumstances of that visit - so you are
  • dropping someone off
  • popping in for 5 minutes
  • 1 hour
  • the whole day
  • making a delivery.


One significant thing I did note was the guidance relating to Parking-Lot area place:
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Places/Parking_lot#Principles
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Places/Parking_lot#Privately_operated_public_parking
If we adobt this then that means most of the Parking Lot areas in the UK should be removed as they are specific car parks dedicated to customers/staff/residents/students of that premises and do not meet these principles.

A good thing I feel - and it would mean that a 'go to nearest parking' feature in the client would actually be useful rather than taking me to the private car park of the office block next door where I'm likely to be clamped.
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Re: New WME and Places (UK)

Postby PealRinger » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:16 am

PS Spotted a typo in the hyperlink on the Landmark page...
Until specific guidance for the UK implementation of places is issued users are encouraged to read the Generic 'Paces' pages

Can someone correct?
.. or are we all being put through our paces :lol:
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