[Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

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[Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby Dave2084 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:10 pm

Waze v3.8 (out today) has significant changes to TTS, if you rely on it for giving you sensible instructions around roundabouts, DO NOT UPGRADE. There were some serious issues found with it during beta testing.

We have known this was coming for a few weeks but have been bound by confidentiality until now.

In a nutshell the issues we identified in beta testing that you as editors (and Wazers) should be aware of are:

1. The TTS functionality for a simple roundabout (turn left, go straight on and turn right) has been changed so that now guidance is not given for 'go straight on' (by design) and advance instructions will be giving you directions for the junction after the roundabout. This is likely to lead to a lot of URs. Complex roundabouts (take the nth exit) are unchanged which is not good as now the two roundabout types behave differently! CentreCode BUG-2416 Closed as 'Working as Designed'
YouTube Video of this happening

2. Double roundabouts in certain configurations will only give instructions for the first roundabout so that you may be told to go straight on when you actually need to turn right. CentreCode BUG-2804
YouTube Video of this happening

3. When you have two junctions close together (say a staggered crossing of a main road) it is possible that the turn instruction for the second is only given AFTER you made the turn (or missed it). CentreCode BUG-2805

4. Roundabout instructions for non-TTS voices are also broken. When approaching an nth turn roundabout the advance warnings (1/0.5/0.25 miles) give you 'In <distance> at the roundabout ...', but at the roundabout you correctly get 'At the roundabout take the nth exit'. I tested with 'English (UK) Carol' and 'English (UK) Natalie'. CentreCode BUG-2738, 2175 and 2522
YouTube Video of this happening

5. TTS street names for no name roads now carry forward for multiple junctions (at least 6, maybe infinite). Previously this was not the case (just one junction?) but now this now matches the on screen instructions. The problem here is if you journey includes a lot of no name roads the instructions given will get a TTS name for the next named street which could be a completely different class of road and many miles away. (e.g. one of the routes I can use for my commute has some single track roads that Waze insists are the A16!) CentreCode BUG-2806

6. The Word 'Close' when used as a roadname suffix (e.g. 'Malham Close') is pronounced wrong.
Waze pronounces it as the opposite of 'Open' where it should be the opposite of 'Far'. Same spelling, different word. CentreCode BUG-2504 Closed as localisation issue, but localisation team do not seem to use the forum.

These roundabout issues particularly troublesome for UK roads as we have so many roundabouts!

I recommend you leave a constructive comment on the official feedback thread which is located here.
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby Dave2084 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:55 pm

I've now added YouTube videos with notes so you can see it. Make sure annotations are on.
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby Superfraggle » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:11 pm

There was also an issue with speed cameras that are only facing one way, alerting in both directions. This will create an issue with valid speed cameras disappearing and UR's.

Have;nt been able to test in the full version
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby wolfsbane2k » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:45 am

Wow, somehow i missed that in the beta - but then i normally drive with TTS turned off cos i know where i'm going.

Thanks for the heads up, its' a shame it was allowed to leave beta in this condition!
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby redviper26 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:32 am

Hey guys,

We are aware of some issues in 3.8, and they will be addressed in the next update (3.8.1) within the next two months. We're monitoring user feedback and this issue hardly came up.

Thanks for your feedback, which is very helpful and influential. Keep it up :)

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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby ditchi56 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:24 pm

Dave2084 wrote:This is likely to lead to a lot of URs

Any chance of some standard responses appearing on the UK UR Wiki please?
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby RTPeat » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:29 pm

redviper26 wrote: We're monitoring user feedback and this issue hardly came up.


It is only in certain combinations that it is thoroughly confusing, so it may take some time before the complaints come, probably once people have ended up going the wrong way on an unknown route.

My route to and from work has a sequence of three roundabouts that show up the problem, which is why I'm aware. The first two are counted by Waze as simple, the third as complex. I go straight across the first two roundabouts and take the first exit at the third, so under the new instructions Waze was telling me to take the first exit at the roundabout before I got to the first roundabout, and aside from a last minute "go straight on" when I'm just driving onto each of the simple roundabouts that was the only instructions. Coupled to that since the update has totally killed the TTS so it's not reading street names it's all round a real pain, such that I'm seriously considering using something else the next time I drive somewhere I'm not sure of the route because of the potential confusion with the instructions.
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby NorfolkMustard » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:30 pm

I'm on 3.8.0 and tried both Daniel (street names) and Simon (my usual voice of choice) on a short drive just now and both were giving instructions for all roundabouts, including "go straight on" for Daniel or "Continue straight" for Simon. 20 roundabouts, 12 of which are straight-on, 6 in short succession.

Also had a couple of staggered junctions and Simon dutifully suggested I "turn left, then turn right" as usual.

Perhaps it's just an Android thing? seems fine/unchanged on iPhone.

Ah, also, I always play media on the phone too, so waze is always coming over the bluetooth media channel for me (so the waze audio is stereo-ish, much better quality, and no pausing), rather than the bluetooth phone channel (shite audio quality, plus too much of a pause for me). Perhaps that has something to do with it.
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby Dave2084 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:59 pm

NorfolkMustard wrote:I'm on 3.8.0 and tried both Daniel (street names) and Simon (my usual voice of choice) on a short drive just now and both were giving instructions for all roundabouts, including "go straight on" for Daniel or "Continue straight" for Simon.

Also had a couple of staggered junctions and Simon dutifully suggested I "turn left, then turn right" as usual.

Perhaps it's just an Android thing? seems fine/unchanged on iPhone


No I'm on iPhone too, I only used Android for the videos as it was easier to get them safely. Did you watch them?

I think non TTS voices will be unchanged (but will check).

With Daniel and the 'go straight on' roundabout:
1. Did you get the correct long range instruction (after the previous turn) or did it give instructions for the junction after the 'go straight on' roundabout(s)?
2. Did you get a half/quarter mile instructions? If so with/without TTS street names?
3. Did you get a TTS street name with the 'go straight on' instruction?

I raised this roundabout issue as BUG-2416 on CentreCode against beta 3.7.9.922 (so approx late april) but it was closed by Waze as 'Working as Designed'. :?

As Redviper has stated it is an issue I have requested this be reopened.

The staggered junction issue is tricky you need just the right combination of segment length and speed to trigger it, but at the end of the day Waze should not be giving instructions 50ft AFTER you make the turn. Ideally at these the 'Turn left and then turn right' should be enough, if it manages to get the 'turn left' in fantastic, if it's too late it needs to stay quiet.
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Re: [Heads Up] Waze v3.8 TTS Issues - Read Before Upgrading

Postby NorfolkMustard » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:43 pm

Thanks Dave, I'll give it another go in the morning.
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