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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby ituajr » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:58 am

glomp wrote:Having found what the AS/NZS 4819:2011 standard uses for abbreviations, here is a list of all the possible abbreviations that the standard uses.

Just a matter of detemining which are the most commonly used abbreviations for all states.


I assume you mean "which are the most commonly used road types" (not "abbreviations"), so that we can work out which road types to include in the short(?) list of abbreviations. If so, for SA the figures are:

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 249759 ROAD
  74152 STREET
  31962 AVENUE
  22278 HIGHWAY
  17584 DRIVE
  16464 TRACK
  15974 TERRACE
  13212 COURT
   8426 LANE
   8184 CRESCENT
   4696 WAY
   4158 PLACE
   3156
   2080 PARADE
   1844 GROVE
   1754 CIRCUIT
   1694 BOULEVARD
   1546 CLOSE
    578 FREEWAY
    548 WALK
    518 EXPRESSWAY
    328 SQUARE
    274 CROSSING
    258 RISE
    244 TRAIL
    214 FIRETRACK
    208 ACCESS
    206 BREAK
    194 PARKWAY
    168 ROUTE
    144 LOOP
     94 MEWS
     82 BYPASS
     74 ESPLANADE
     68 MOTORWAY
     64 RUN
     62 ROW
     54 COVE
     52 EXTENSION
     52 VIEW
     52 GLEN
     48 CIRCLE
     42 CIRCUS
     40 LINK
     40 CAUSEWAY
     38 ALLEY
     34 TRUNKWAY
     32 FRONTAGE
     28 RETREAT
     26 MALL
     26 CHASE
     22 COMMON
     22 PROMENADE
     20 LINE
     16 APPROACH
     16 TARN
     14 CORNER
     14 DOCK
     14 PASS
     12 HEIGHTS
     10 GARDENS
     10 ENTRANCE
     10 RAMP
      8 RIDGE
      8 STRIP
      8 HILL
      8 GATE
      8 PATHWAY
      8 BROW
      8 BEND
      8 EDGE
      6 VISTA
      6 BANK
      6 PARK
      6 GLADE
      4 BRAE
      4 FLAT
      4 Road
      4 FIREBREAK
      4 LOOKOUT
      4 COPSE
      4 GREEN
      4 POCKET
      2 NOOK
      2 END
      2 VILLA
      2 LANEWAY
      2 BYWAY
      2 POINT
      2 BOWL
      2 COMMONS
      2 ARCADE
      2 HOLLOW
      2 WHARF

(Derived from https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/roads, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0).
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby glomp » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:01 am

ispyisail wrote:I've got a copy of AS/NZS 4819:2011 and this is the sum total of the abbrivations in that list

https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Abbreviations_and_acronyms_(AS/NZS_4819:2011)

not unless there is some supplement......................

Everywhere I have seen that list, you keep showing, has said that it is an extract of AS/NZS 4819:2011 Appendix A “Road Types - Australia.

Do you think that something like Concourse, Firetrail, Passage, Steps, Subway, Track are common street names in Australia?

It is only an example of what names are available, otherwise why would they put these uncommon names in a table saying that they are the only abbreviations?

I haven't seen or even added any of these names to the Waze map here in Australia.

From that list you have - Arcade, Boardwalk, Passage, Path, Steps and Subway are pedestrian only roads according to the extract.
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby ituajr » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:16 am

glomp wrote:
ispyisail wrote:I've got a copy of AS/NZS 4819:2011 and this is the sum total of the abbrivations in that list

https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Abbreviations_and_acronyms_(AS/NZS_4819:2011)

not unless there is some supplement......................

Everywhere I have seen that list, you keep showing, has said that it is an extract of AS/NZS 4819:2011 Appendix A “Road Types - Australia.

Do you think that something like Concourse, Firetrail, Passage, Steps, Subway, Track are common street names in Australia?
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I haven't seen or even added any of these names to the Waze map here in Australia.


See my previous posting - Track is more common in road segments than Terrace, Court, Lane or Crescent in SA. Have you heard of the famous Oodnadatta Track? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oodnadatta_Track.
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby glomp » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:18 am

ituajr wrote:See my previous posting - Track is more common in road segments than Terrace, Court, Lane or Crescent in SA. Have you heard of the famous Oodnadatta Track?.


Yes I know about the Oodnadatta Track. ;)

Just forgot to take out Track whilst replying to the previous post and what happens when you are still writing the reply and someone posts a response before you can post yours. :lol:
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby ispyisail » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:40 am

AS/NZS 4819:2011 is copyright

if anybody wants to have a look PM me your email address.
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby theclem54 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:25 am

TimAThing wrote:To avoid any confusion, IP Australia's published list is not the same as or based on AS 4819, so is not authoritative.


Why is IP Australia not authoritive? How is it any less or more authoritive than the IP Australia address standards?

Neither can be ranked higher than the other unless we know which legislation (Act) defines street addressing, this may be federal or state, I don't know.

Australian Standards have no power in their own right.
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby TimAThing » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:40 pm

theclem54 wrote:Why is IP Australia not authoritive? How is it any less or more authoritive than the IP Australia address standards?

Neither can be ranked higher than the other unless we know which legislation (Act) defines street addressing, this may be federal or state, I don't know.

Australian Standards have no power in their own right.


All reasonable questions, and your last statement is correct. My reasoning is:
  • Australian Standards are in the business of defining standards that are suitable for becoming normative; from their website: Australian Standards are not legal documents but many, because of their rigour, are called up into legislation by government and become mandatory.
  • Geographical Names Board of NSW is aligned with AS/NZS 4819 (link).
  • ispyisail has previously commented that LGAs are moving towards AS/NZS 4819. While I haven't verified this myself, I've linked to an AS/NZS 4819 document from an LGA website below which supports the assertion.

In contrast for IP Australia:
  • IP Australia themselves only say that their list is for use of organisations doing business with them.
  • While they do also say that this is to aid them working effectively with Australia Post's addressing standards, they don't actually assert that their own standard is normative for any other purpose, or even that theirs is the same as Australia Post's. For that matter, Australia Post's guidelines seem indeterminate to me: they do have an Address Presentation Standard document dating from 1999; it makes reference to AS 4590:1999, but only presents a limited list of street abbreviations itself (and that list deviates from AS 4590, e.g. for Avenue and Crescent).

Btw, I've found a document that appears to be a draft of a new version of AS/NZS 4819 to supersede 4819:2003. In that document, they refer to resolving some of the problems with the 2003 edition, overlaps with AS 4590 etc. The list of street type abbreviations (Appendix A, page 49ff) is designated as normative (in contrast to some parts of the standard that are designated informative).
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby ituajr » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:13 am

TimAThing wrote:My reasoning is:
  • Australian Standards are in the business of defining standards that are suitable for becoming normative; from their website: Australian Standards are not legal documents but many, because of their rigour, are called up into legislation by government and become mandatory.
  • Geographical Names Board of NSW is aligned with AS/NZS 4819 (link).
  • ispyisail has previously commented that LGAs are moving towards AS/NZS 4819.


Further, the most extensive geocoded address database for Australia (PSMA G-NAF https://www.psma.com.au/products/g-naf) uses AS/NZS 4819:2003 - see page 12 of https://www.psma.com.au/sites/default/files/g-naf_product_description.pdf. While this is of academic interest at present, due to their current highly restrictive licencing requirements, this database is about to be released under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 licence. It remains to be seen how easy it will be to integrate this into Waze.

It looks as though AS/NZS 4819 is winning the battle for acceptance as "the" addressing standard.

Reference for information about the release of G-NAF:
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/turnbull-labels-open-data-a-strategic-national-resource-412812
https://www.dpmc.gov.au/pmc/about-pmc/core-priorities/public-data-branch-within-dpmc/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby Traveling_Gav » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:23 am

Can we agree then to go with the AS standard? We can then get the TTS sorted which is a pressing issue IMO...
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Re: Street Abbreviations revisited

Postby ituajr » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:48 am

Traveling_Gav wrote:Can we agree then to go with the AS standard? We can then get the TTS sorted which is a pressing issue IMO...


I'm strongly in favour of using the Australian Standard. I also agree that the TTS update is urgent.
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