U-turn editing?

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby PesachZ » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:26 am

taco909 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:Without the advantage of scripts running now I can't assess the turn angles, but by eyeballing it it seems the angle may be out of range. I have a few questions here to troubleshoot

The curve in the road makes it look off, but on the north side I've got an even 179, and 179.7 on the south side.
Doesn't get much closer than that.

What are the individual angles?

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby taco909 » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:06 pm

North side (southbound) 88.6 + 90.4
South side (northbound) 93.9 + 85.8

So we are within 1 degree of 180 on both and we're (barely) within 5% of 90 degrees on the northbound first turn, well within 5% on the rest.... but I've seen a number that were outside of 5% of 90 (by a lot) but still about 180 total and did not route a u-turn.
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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby PesachZ » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:19 pm

taco909 wrote:North side (southbound) 88.6 + 90.4
South side (northbound) 93.9 + 85.8

So we are within 1 degree of 180 on both and we're (barely) within 5% of 90 degrees on the northbound first turn, well within 5% on the rest.... but I've seen a number that were outside of 5% of 90 (by a lot) but still about 180 total and did not route a u-turn.

Does this type a U-turn consistently in live map and app? Or only during severe traffic?

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby taco909 » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:11 pm

PesachZ wrote:
taco909 wrote:North side (southbound) 88.6 + 90.4
South side (northbound) 93.9 + 85.8

So we are within 1 degree of 180 on both and we're (barely) within 5% of 90 degrees on the northbound first turn, well within 5% on the rest.... but I've seen a number that were outside of 5% of 90 (by a lot) but still about 180 total and did not route a u-turn.

Does this type a U-turn consistently in live map and app? Or only during severe traffic?

That needs to go back to KuniaKid.
Everything looks good to me and I suspect it is an issue with traffic (or the legal route) overriding the penalty.

This "penalty" needs to be changed to "restriction"
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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby PesachZ » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:51 pm

taco909 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:
taco909 wrote:North side (southbound) 88.6 + 90.4
South side (northbound) 93.9 + 85.8

So we are within 1 degree of 180 on both and we're (barely) within 5% of 90 degrees on the northbound first turn, well within 5% on the rest.... but I've seen a number that were outside of 5% of 90 (by a lot) but still about 180 total and did not route a u-turn.

Does this type a U-turn consistently in live map and app? Or only during severe traffic?

That needs to go back to KuniaKid.
Everything looks good to me and I suspect it is an issue with traffic (or the legal route) overriding the penalty.

This "penalty" needs to be changed to "restriction"

Try to test it in livemap, can you get livemap to route the U-turn? I can't check now, so I ask.

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby taco909 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:55 am

PesachZ wrote:
taco909 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:Does this type a U-turn consistently in live map and app? Or only during severe traffic?

That needs to go back to KuniaKid.
Everything looks good to me and I suspect it is an issue with traffic (or the legal route) overriding the penalty.

This "penalty" needs to be changed to "restriction"

Try to test it in livemap, can you get livemap to route the U-turn? I can't check now, so I ask.

I can't get a pair of segments that will route a U-turn cleanly on the south side.

I do get one routed on the north side, but the trace from Livemap does not overlay the segment in WME... the angle of the approachy is significantly different.
It shows KuniaKid edited the segment yesterday, I suspect an adjustment was made either after posting (and before I checked the angles yesterday) or before posting and KK was looking for confirmation.

I'm thinking it WAS outside of the allowed angles to enable to penalty, but should be OK now.

Would be nice if KK would confirm so we aren't spinning our wheels for the next 2 pages.

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby PesachZ » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:30 am

taco909 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:
taco909 wrote:[quote="PesachZ"]
Does this type a U-turn consistently in live map and app? Or only during severe traffic?

That needs to go back to KuniaKid.
Everything looks good to me and I suspect it is an issue with traffic (or the legal route) overriding the penalty.

This "penalty" needs to be changed to "restriction"

Try to test it in livemap, can you get livemap to route the U-turn? I can't check now, so I ask.

I can't get a pair of segments that will route a U-turn cleanly on the south side.

I do get one routed on the north side, but the trace from Livemap does not overlay the segment in WME... the angle of the approachy is significantly different.
It shows KuniaKid edited the segment yesterday, I suspect an adjustment was made either after posting (and before I checked the angles yesterday) or before posting and KK was looking for confirmation.

I'm thinking it WAS outside of the allowed angles to enable to penalty, but should be OK now.

Would be nice if KK would confirm so we aren't spinning our wheels for the next 2 pages.

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I agree with your analysis. I believe the penalty is very strong, and have only seen the penalty fail because of traffic at one intersection. I agree it's much more likely that it didn't meet the wiki listed criteria, and now it will be fine.

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby spookyx » Sun May 03, 2015 4:13 pm

From my tests and experience, if a segment is 15 meters it will not alway do a U turn.
If, however is 16, than you will get a U turn on 100% of cases.
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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby PesachZ » Sun May 03, 2015 4:57 pm

spookyx wrote:From my tests and experience, if a segment is 15 meters it will not alway do a U turn.
If, however is 16, than you will get a U turn on 100% of cases.

You must take into account rounding in WME. Which is why I always recommend using <14 or >16. Do you have examples?

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Re: U-turn editing?

Postby taco909 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:56 am

PesachZ wrote:
spookyx wrote:From my tests and experience, if a segment is 15 meters it will not alway do a U turn.
If, however is 16, than you will get a U turn on 100% of cases.

You must take over account rounding in wme. Which is why I always recommend using <14 or >16. Do you have examples?

Exactly.
I'll use 14 or 16, just like I try to avoid turn angles between 41 and 49 degrees.
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