herrchin wrote:I am in favor of L3 for both PP and PLA for the following reasons:

1. It is not terribly hard to obtain L2, and can often be done before anyone in the state community is even aware this new editor exists. They can also obtain their automatic rank 2 promotion through mostly repetitive edits which limits their hands-on experience with all aspects of editing (they may not be well-rounded at all). Example: I had an editor add 1400 Walking Trail segments over 2 days.
2. Thus this L2 editor may not be connected with the community, nor aware of Place best practices. They could not be aware of the existence of the state WoP page even. Bad category selection is a notorious early error (Coffee Shop for any place that serves coffee).
3. Newer editors are generally not aware of place harmonization. They may un-do a harmonization in favor of something like a localized URL.
4. PURs feature prominently in the editor, begging for attention. An L2 can approve a bad PUR.
5. A completed Place rarely needs further updates.
6. If a "complete" Place needs a legitimate update, the L2 can still suggest it, and their PUR can be approved by L3+. This isn't a stealth item likely to be lost either; PURs are prominent per an earlier bullet.

megg2004 wrote:I can't disagree with the 6 points, however, as a current L2, I'm quite torn on this topic. tldr: leave PP at 2

I can only speak for myself, but I feel I'm a fairly involved L2 (asking questions, formal mentoring), so by having access to PP right now, I feel I'm learning a lot and contributing quite a bit to the map. I feel very comfortable asking questions, so I don't proceed with something I'm unsure of (not sure if I'm the exception to the norm on this?). Creating/updating PP is actually my favorite thing to do, so I would be quite sad to see that ability be dampened by moving the lock to 3 (updating multiple items on a single PP that is locked above your level can be a little frustrating and much more tedious).

I consider myself a 2.5 level editor. I've got a really good handle on the basics but don't quite feel comfortable having the L3 privileges. I can sympathize that many editors at my rank may not do what I do (ask questions, have a formal mentor) and are creating issues within the map, particularly when it comes to PP. However, having the PP standard raised would negatively affect me. As a lower-ranking editor, it sometimes feels like there is nothing to do, having PP locked at 3 would only lengthen that amount of time of feeling like there is nothing to do. My official answer is: leave it at 2 for no other reason that I feel like I'm an L2 that is pretty proficient at handling PP (because I've reached out and asked for help).