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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby razor2k » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:50 am

jasonh300 wrote:
robc007 wrote:All the other threads and docs I've read about parking lots say that adding a parking lot is the correct way to fix routing errors on the map when it shows someone turning off the road. And I've been following those instructions. Why in this one thread is everyone going against the documented instructions?


Parking lot landmarks? Where is there documented instructions anywhere about using parking lot landmarks to correct routing errors?


I think maybe he's getting traffic jams confused with routing ;)
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby razor2k » Sat May 11, 2013 4:03 am

crazycomputingdotnet wrote:I have been pretty liberal in killing landmarks in my areas as well. I wish the gas stations were a hidden landmark because there can be a lot of them bunched together especially on busy roads/intersections. The only ones I usually keep are ones that I think would provide a service to the user to be there like hospitals, sports stadiums, airports, museums, or (major) tourist attractions. Something that isn't usually classified as a business and is generally not something that a Wazer would go to that often. There are only a couple of parking lot landmarks that I will keep, and those are usually those at airports so someone who doesn't go to an airport that often would know where the parking is and what type of lot it is (short term, long term, ect).

I thought we discussed at the meetup that the landmarks need to be cleaned up, or was that just on the 30 page list that was given to Waze?


Add Police/Fire/Rescue to that and I think everything is pretty much covered 8-)

Waze really needs to limit the landmark options, but this has been discussed before and nothing has changed.
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby MisterMooCow » Wed May 15, 2013 3:18 am

mapcat wrote:Posted a slight revision to Ohio mapping conventions. Is it any closer to being something we can run with?


Looks good to me. I tweaked it a bit -- check my edits to make sure I didn't go too far?
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby MisterMooCow » Tue May 14, 2013 4:26 am

Parking lots: my understanding is that the app gets parking lot information from four-square. Has that changed?

On all the municipal/first-responder/whatever buildings: in a big/dense urban area (like a state capital), the density of these things is entirely too high -- you end up with wall-to-wall landmarks. We also have tiny little police stations that are basically kiosks in strip malls.

Since new editors don't get the distinction, it's a zero-tolerance thing with me -- if it's not a landmark (i.e., something that will help orient you in an area that is both unfamiliar and confusing -- not just entertain you while you sit at a traffic light), it's gone.
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby MisterMooCow » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:45 am

I'm completely on-board with any guidance limiting landmarks.

I think we should discuss the merits of further excluding most of the public building landmarks-- in dense urban areas (especially ones that are county seats or state capitals), having every city/county/state/school/library/first-responder/medical/etc. building mapped as a landmark starts to obscure the roads. In addition, it's not clear to me what benefit these other kind of landmarks add-- if a DMV or police substation is just another store/outbuilding in a mall, it's not apparent to me how showing that on the app helps with navigation.

For these reasons, I've been pretty draconian on what I remove in Ohio (see my first pass at Ohio mapping conventions -- I'm hoping that some other Ohio AMs/CMs will help hone that into something we can all get behind). There's probably a happy medium in there somewhere and I think active local AMs can find that place by looking at what shows up in the app. For new/less-experienced editors, I think it's best to have a general guideline of "err on the side of NOT mapping a landmark".
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby mapcat » Thu May 16, 2013 6:26 pm

No complaints here.
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby mapcat » Tue May 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Posted a slight revision to Ohio mapping conventions. Is it any closer to being something we can run with?
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby mapcat » Sat May 11, 2013 3:11 am

Good start on the wiki for Ohio landmarks, Jeff. Something about gas stations ought to be included, since they aren't mentioned in your "landmark that isn't a park, cemetery, university, major sports venue or, major cultural institutions" categorization.
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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:49 am

robc007 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:Those videos are dated April 2012 & they show the old version of the editor. A lot has changed since then.


Then all the new editors are being introduced to obsolete instructions? I can adapt to the guidelines in the forum, they're just hard to find from my point of view.


The primary instructions are contained in the Wiki. In order to receive any kind of real editing permissions, you have to know the wiki guidelines and instructions well.

Frankly, all of the community leaders watched those videos back when the current version of the editor came out last year. I suspect that since then you may very well be the one of the only people who have ever watched it. If a lot of people actually watched the videos, we would have a much different problem than we currently deal with. You'd be surprised at the number of people who dive into trying to edit without reading a word of *anything*.

You've basically called our attention to something that needs to be addressed with the developers and marketing people. Thank you for that.


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Re: Landmarks for Region 3

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:35 am

robc007 wrote:All the other threads and docs I've read about parking lots say that adding a parking lot is the correct way to fix routing errors on the map when it shows someone turning off the road. And I've been following those instructions. Why in this one thread is everyone going against the documented instructions?


Parking lot landmarks? Where is there documented instructions anywhere about using parking lot landmarks to correct routing errors?
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