Waze suggests I drive down alleys

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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby CBenson » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:04 pm

The routing is to the stop point of the house number, so the location of the pin within the property does not matter. The caveats include a) the house number is not used until it has been touched by an editor in WME and b) if the address does not match the Google address, a search may still result in using the Google pin location.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby davidhperry » Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:48 am

pinpusher wrote:Per https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Illinois#Alleys "As a general rule, alleys should not be mapped. They clutter the map and can cause routing issues." Chicago alleys should be removed, it as much quicker to remove them than to move 100,000 address pins.


Does this mean that moving address pins will resolve the problem? I ask because I've been routed through alleys several times here in Nashville, and it happened enough to make me start with WME. I've googled and done my own research, but I haven't landed on a definitive answer. If a residential house number pin is closer to the primary street than an alley, will it preclude the system from routing through alleys? Or, does the location of the pin within the property matter at all, since the routing is based on the stop point?
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby failsafe » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:58 am

If used for the final destination, then the address or POI coordinates returned by the search provider is closer to the alley than the street. Depending on the neighborhood and where visitors should be directed to get to your location, the private rd/alley may be appropriate or not.


In Chicago, the default is generally not. We've had someone recently jump from editing level 1 to 4 rather quickly seemingly doing nothing but activating alley turns. Alleys here are usually applicable for homeowners with garages, who already know the last few blocks to the destination.

I tell people using Waze to never count on the last few blocks; only that it might know more about traffic conditions and get them to an area faster. In the past 3 weeks, I've been misrouted to alleys for final destinations twice in Chicago.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby failsafe » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:00 am

I could, but then someone else would just draw them in again.

It just feels like we're constantly working against each other.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby failsafe » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:06 pm

That is certainly a move in the right direction!
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:15 am

bigbear3764 wrote:Red arrow restriction at alleys and edit them to a service road is what is recommended.

I too have seen a lot of driving error posts for them, I have been editing the ones on the very north side.


I don't know where you saw that recommended, but I'd suggest reading the Wiki.

http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Road_Types_%28USA%29

A service road is a frontage road that runs alongside a Freeway or main thoroughfare.

An alley should be set as a Parking Lot Road to prevent routing on it. It's the only way to prevent routing on an alley short of deleting the alley completely from the map.

If an alley, or any other type of road is impossible to drive, it shouldn't be on the map, or should be completely disconnected, and set at a different level from the real roads.
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Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby jasonh300 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:56 pm

There's no reason to restrict turns into an alley if the alley is properly marked as a PLot road. Red arrows are too inviting to people to try to fix something.

There's also nowhere in the editing standards that say that an Alley should have any name unless there is a street sign indicating a name. There is no practical purpose for putting an "Alley" label on an alley.


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Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby jasonh300 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:17 am

If the alley is marked as a PLot, navigation will never route you onto it unless its the end of the route. Just like any other Parking lot type of road, it should have no name.


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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby jdeyoung » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:14 pm

CBenson wrote:The routing is to the stop point of the house number, so the location of the pin within the property does not matter. The caveats include a) the house number is not used until it has been touched by an editor in WME and b) if the address does not match the Google address, a search may still result in using the Google pin location.

For point b, if the google address GPS is too far from the verified waze house number, the google result will be used. In a dense residential setting this isn't likely, but if there's doubt, check the address search in google maps to make sure it is reasonably close. If not, you can use the feedback option to suggest the more accurate location.
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Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby mrkdog1 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:08 pm

Last night I was using Waze for some navigation around Chicago and it told me that driving down an alley was the most efficient route. And maybe it was. But it was an alley with large garbage bins on each side, a narrow bumpy road, and a few homeless people in it minding their own business.

I'm not saying that an alley isn't a possible route but it is one that should generally be avoided. Is there a way streets can be labeled as alleys with an option of "Avoid alleys"?
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