Waze suggests I drive down alleys

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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby davidhperry » Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:48 am

pinpusher wrote:Per https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Illinois#Alleys "As a general rule, alleys should not be mapped. They clutter the map and can cause routing issues." Chicago alleys should be removed, it as much quicker to remove them than to move 100,000 address pins.


Does this mean that moving address pins will resolve the problem? I ask because I've been routed through alleys several times here in Nashville, and it happened enough to make me start with WME. I've googled and done my own research, but I haven't landed on a definitive answer. If a residential house number pin is closer to the primary street than an alley, will it preclude the system from routing through alleys? Or, does the location of the pin within the property matter at all, since the routing is based on the stop point?
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby pinpusher » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:59 pm

A few lines of code could fix the alley routing problem extremely fast. Only route to the nearest street unless the pin has been moved.

Per https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Illinois#Alleys "As a general rule, alleys should not be mapped. They clutter the map and can cause routing issues." IMHO, Chicago alleys should be turned into linear place features or remove them, it as much quicker to remove them than to move 100,000 address pins.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby pinpusher » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:34 pm

Per https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Illinois#Alleys "As a general rule, alleys should not be mapped. They clutter the map and can cause routing issues." Chicago alleys should be removed, it as much quicker to remove them than to move 100,000 address pins.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby ArlenBystander » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:36 pm

bigbear3764 wrote:
ArlenBystander wrote:
I would also suggest the Illinois wiki section be updated with whatever is agreed upon to aid future new editors.


This is my after Xmas break plan is to attack and set up the wiki for our area. I'm just not the computer savi guy. I have been looking how it is set up in other states. Wisconsin just updated theirs and Connecticut has a real nice one.


I can definitely help out. I'll start looking at the other states' pages to see how they have been set up.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby ArlenBystander » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:17 pm

failsafe wrote:In Chicago, the default is generally not. We've had someone recently jump from editing level 1 to 4 rather quickly seemingly doing nothing but activating alley turns. Alleys here are usually applicable for homeowners with garages, who already know the last few blocks to the destination.


I'm guessing I'm the person being referred to here since I recently went to level 4 and have been fixing turn restrictions (reverse connect, u-turn, etc.) and other things around Chicagoland. My understanding from reading the forums and wiki regarding alleys are they should be set to type Parking Lot Road (to avoid routing other than for destinations), name them Alley, and to set turn restrictions according to whether or not one can make the turn. I could find nothing to the contrary for the Chicago area.

If there is a consensus - such as disabling all turns into or out of alleys - for the Chicago area, let me know and I'll fix the alleys I changed; at least until someone else comes along. I'm guessing we'll then be dealing with reports caused by turns contrary to the set restrictions but I guess that may be less annoying to people than being routed into an alley for their destination. FYI, I see no problem with deleting alleys in Chicago if we're not going to use them for routing. We'll probably get road too far apart reports but again may be less of an issue for those other than editors.

I would also suggest the Illinois wiki section be updated with whatever is agreed upon to aid future new editors.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby failsafe » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:06 pm

That is certainly a move in the right direction!
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:33 am

Crowdsourced and collaborative projects like the Waze map definitely can have that feel sometimes depending on whether everyone is on the same page.

Waze just announced they are going to rebuild their internal addressing to be point-specific, so we could, in 6-8 months, have an internal lat/lon-based addressing system which will allow us to specify with much more detail and precision, the exact location to direct drivers to within Waze and without having to reference external sources.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby failsafe » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:00 am

I could, but then someone else would just draw them in again.

It just feels like we're constantly working against each other.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:55 am

In those places where alleys simply make no sense, you could delete them I suppose.
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Re: Waze suggests I drive down alleys

Postby failsafe » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:58 am

If used for the final destination, then the address or POI coordinates returned by the search provider is closer to the alley than the street. Depending on the neighborhood and where visitors should be directed to get to your location, the private rd/alley may be appropriate or not.


In Chicago, the default is generally not. We've had someone recently jump from editing level 1 to 4 rather quickly seemingly doing nothing but activating alley turns. Alleys here are usually applicable for homeowners with garages, who already know the last few blocks to the destination.

I tell people using Waze to never count on the last few blocks; only that it might know more about traffic conditions and get them to an area faster. In the past 3 weeks, I've been misrouted to alleys for final destinations twice in Chicago.
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