Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

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Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby tgp1994 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:42 pm

Hello everyone,

In taking a road trip from south-west Michigan to the state of New York, I encountered a strange issue (to me at least) where Waze refused to route me through Canada.

When looking at what route I should take the other night, it looked like the sensible thing to do would be to drive through Canada via port Huron. However, Waze refused (even in alternate route listings) to go through Canada at all, up until I changed the routing method from fastest to shortest. I know that there is still the border to cross (twice), but this new route is clearly the fastest and shortest. Waze agreed on that after I changed the routing settings.

Is there any reason Waze did not suggest this optimal route (even as an alternative) until I altered the routing method? I have no avoidances set (unless any large parts of the highway are dirt), and I'm running Waze 3.6.0.0.

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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:57 pm

Without actually looking at the map, I would guess that it's because of road typing used at the borders, or just the extremely low speed data approaching all of the border crossings preventing it from being used as fastest route.

Routing across an international border is usually undesirable when the destination is not on the other side of the border. This holds especially true for Americans, since Canada tends to welcome us into their country with just an ID, but the U.S. won't let anyone back in without a passport (this may have changed over the past few years).
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby tgp1994 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:05 pm

That all makes sense, I can see how things might get dicey with the borders.
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby CBenson » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:32 pm

I don't know. Looking at the live map, waze gives me two alternate routes from Ann Arbor, MI to Hamilton, ON one through straight at 241 miles and 3 hrs and 36 minutes. The other 442 miles and 6 hrs and 49 min going south of Lake Erie. So the delay at the border appears to be much less than the added time to stay in the US. Routing to anything farther east including Niagra Falls, ON, waze only routes the longer route. There seem to be freeways connecting the entire route through Canada. Waze has no problem routing from Hamilton into New York. So I don't why waze insists on staying in the US at the cost of adding a couple of hours of travel time.
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby invented » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:22 pm

Do you have toll roads disabled?

You might just have to get to Windsor then fire up Waze from there.
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:32 pm

invented wrote:Do you have toll roads disabled?

You might just have to get to Windsor then fire up Waze from there.


You can also just route to the border crossing, and then route in steps from there. I know that sucks because you can't get an ETA on your final destination, but it's a workaround.

You also can add a stop somewhere along the route in Canada. Pick a place you may want to stop for the night, or for lunch or for gas or something like that.
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby tgp1994 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:43 pm

jasonh300 wrote:
invented wrote:Do you have toll roads disabled?

You might just have to get to Windsor then fire up Waze from there.


You can also just route to the border crossing, and then route in steps from there. I know that sucks because you can't get an ETA on your final destination, but it's a workaround.

You also can add a stop somewhere along the route in Canada. Pick a place you may want to stop for the night, or for lunch or for gas or something like that.

I'm just passing through the boarder to NY, I'll give that a try on my way back, thanks :)
invented wrote:Do you have toll roads disabled?

You might just have to get to Windsor then fire up Waze from there.

They should be allowed, Waze still suggested routes involving tolls. It is starting to look like I'll have to set a midway point in the future, thanks :)
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby CBenson » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:04 pm

invented wrote:Do you have toll roads disabled?

But it does the same thing on the live map.
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby CBenson » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:06 pm

jasonh300 wrote:You also can add a stop somewhere along the route in Canada.

But from Ann Arbor waze routes the long way south of Lake Erie to Niagra Falls, ON in Canada.
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Re: Fastest routing and aversion to Canada

Postby ncc1701v » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:37 am

You just went through the border? How long did it take? I'm guessing Waze 's aversion to Canada is due to the hours it can take to get back into the USA.

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