Navigation does not seem to learn

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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby zottel » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:46 pm

In most cases, waze learns well, but I've also seen strange stuff.

First, I don't like that waze prefers longer routes (by time as well as by kilometers) over shorter ones if they have less segments, turns or whatever the criteria exactly are, i.e. highway/Autobahn etc. are preferred even if this means that the trip will take longer. If I say I want the fastest route, the fastest route is what I want, not some route that might or might not be more efficient. This should at least be an option, or alternatives should be shown by default so I could choose what I think is best myself without having to hit the "Alternatives" button each and every time.

Second, there is one street I drive from time to time where in the evening there is ALWAYS a traffic jam. It takes about 15 minutes to make 2 km or so. I've driven down that road four or five times knowing that I'd be stuck, hoping that waze would learn not to take that route in the evening hours. But waze didn't learn. Of course, I've driven alternative routes a lot of times, and I've checked that they are routable, too. (One of them is even shown as an alternative. In reality, it is not two or three minutes slower as waze claims, but about 15 minutes faster.)

If I look at that particular street in Cartouche, there is still no speed shown although I drove it down several times (and others must have done so, too, as it is a major street with a lot of traffic). I don't know if that's true, but my guess is that waze won't record speeds if it deems the current situation a traffic jam. Whenever I drove that street, waze showed a traffic jam there when I finally came out of it. If I'm right with my guess, please change that. Otherwise, a street that is regularly packed with cars at certain times will never get correct averages.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:52 pm

ramik79 wrote:
jasonm128 wrote:Actually, according to Waze tip video #3, Waze will learn your preferred route but the first route it offers you is always the one it thinks is the fastest. You have to click on the alternate routes button and then your preferred route should always be in the list.


I started doubting this, as at the very end on my commute,waze ALWAYS suggests a route that is 2KM longer, and take 2 extra minutes than the router I choose (according to its estimate, which are correct), and I've been doing MY route since always and still everyday it suggests the other longer one :s


I can promise that it learns preferred routes. Mine has even learned a weird detour that I take, which is certainly not faster (I carpool, so I leave my car at a park and ride... Waze now even routes me through the parking lot at the park and ride!).
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:59 pm

dmcconachie wrote:Just a popup when you select "On" or "Always ask" then presumably - would have thought that would be one of the easier fixes required!


Yep, agreed. That's what I suggested as well.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:52 pm

dmcconachie wrote:Can't remember the majority of this thread but that's wrong with 3 options in the settings... "On", "Off", "Always ask"


Nothing wrong with that setting either, except it doesn't solve the problem that some are saying the cookie munching feature is confusing because they enabled it without knowing what it did and then wondered why they weren't routed the shortest way.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:19 pm

I think there should just be a simple message that appears when you select prefer cookie munching, saying something like "enabling this option may result in longer routes".
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:54 pm

Shorty-CM wrote:And there are plenty of people that did learn what it does, so, I don't know what else to tell you.


I do agree with you, and I honestly don't remember ever NOT understanding what the "prefer cookie munching" option does (I'm sure I read about it in the forums or the wiki, I started exploring both resources the same day I installed Waze).

At the same time, if you think about it from the point of view of someone less technologically-inclined (I'm trying to think like, say, my parents), you have to see how it can be confusing. I don't think it's fair to expect every user to browse the forums and the wiki (although it would be nice!). I still don't understand WHY anyone would turn on an option without first figuring out what it does, but it also doesn't seem to harmful to include a warning pop-up that appears when a user turns this option on, informing them that it may adversely affect routing.

I think it's obvious what it does, but apparently not everyone agrees. It seems like that should be kept in mind.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Shorty-CM wrote:Every single piece of the map that waze has all over the entire world has NO DIRECTIONALITY until someone either drives there or manually fixes the map. If you did not know this before, now you do. One of the biggest reasons for anyone to use waze is that it is possible to make the map reflect reality on your own, without having to rely on some big corporation to fix the map in your area in 5 years time or some other ridiculously long amount of time, or ever.

Complaining that the map is incomplete in a product where it is expected to be incomplete since it starts off totally incomplete is a little weird. Before we got a base map in Canada there were people starting from scratch to map their area. I did 1600 km of Vancouver Island on my own, without even one more wazer for the vast majority of that data, from scratch, editing every single road and intersection to get it working perfectly. Probably most parts of the world had to be done in this fashion, and I recall seeing an insane amount of different parts of Europe getting done in mere weeks from people going crazy at mapping around themselves.

A basemap can be a great shortcut, but isn't even necessary. The fact that the basemap doesn't meet your expectations is perhaps a letdown, but the whole point of this project is that you can make it what it should be on your own. And even people that never load up the map editor can help get that done simply by driving with waze turned on. Sure, that means the directionality of roads and intersections might not reflect reality for some time, but eventually it will. Editing just happens to be a faster way to that goal.

Perhaps waze doesn't do what you think it should right now. But with the help of wazers like yourself, it can, and in some cases in a very short amount of time. Obviously you don't have to use the product. Obviously you don't have to help in any way. But you can, if you choose to do so. Complaining that you would have to because of the current state of the map data is a little strange, though, given the very nature of the product in question. It is *supposed* to be completed by us. If that's not your cup of tea, that's fine. Don't use it then. Nobody's forcing you to. It would be nice if you had some spare time here and there to help, sure. But, really, nobody says you have to do any of it. But that is the nature of this project, and complaining about it makes little sense.


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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:31 pm

I agree.

I sometimes have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that not everyone is a techno geek like me. Sigh. :cry:
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:26 pm

This is also why you can edit the map online. Sure, waze learns when you drive with it on... but it learns MUCH faster if you just correct errors online rather than waiting for it to learn by just driving.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby The Fej » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:01 pm

Can you indicate to us where it is so that we can check it ? Use the permalink, please
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