Navigation does not seem to learn

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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby Shorty-CM » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:41 am

Every single piece of the map that waze has all over the entire world has NO DIRECTIONALITY until someone either drives there or manually fixes the map. If you did not know this before, now you do. One of the biggest reasons for anyone to use waze is that it is possible to make the map reflect reality on your own, without having to rely on some big corporation to fix the map in your area in 5 years time or some other ridiculously long amount of time, or ever.

Complaining that the map is incomplete in a product where it is expected to be incomplete since it starts off totally incomplete is a little weird. Before we got a base map in Canada there were people starting from scratch to map their area. I did 1600 km of Vancouver Island on my own, without even one more wazer for the vast majority of that data, from scratch, editing every single road and intersection to get it working perfectly. Probably most parts of the world had to be done in this fashion, and I recall seeing an insane amount of different parts of Europe getting done in mere weeks from people going crazy at mapping around themselves.

A basemap can be a great shortcut, but isn't even necessary. The fact that the basemap doesn't meet your expectations is perhaps a letdown, but the whole point of this project is that you can make it what it should be on your own. And even people that never load up the map editor can help get that done simply by driving with waze turned on. Sure, that means the directionality of roads and intersections might not reflect reality for some time, but eventually it will. Editing just happens to be a faster way to that goal.

Perhaps waze doesn't do what you think it should right now. But with the help of wazers like yourself, it can, and in some cases in a very short amount of time. Obviously you don't have to use the product. Obviously you don't have to help in any way. But you can, if you choose to do so. Complaining that you would have to because of the current state of the map data is a little strange, though, given the very nature of the product in question. It is *supposed* to be completed by us. If that's not your cup of tea, that's fine. Don't use it then. Nobody's forcing you to. It would be nice if you had some spare time here and there to help, sure. But, really, nobody says you have to do any of it. But that is the nature of this project, and complaining about it makes little sense.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby DarkAudit » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:06 am

So tell me what it really is. It doesn't matter what's going on on my route if the route is bunk to start with. And that starts with a map that is reasonably accurate. It's taken days of corrections to get Waze to finally reflect the reality of the neighborhood roads.

Then there's the one I cannot possibly begin to explain. On a drive to Pittsburgh, Waze wants me to exit I-79 at Waynesburg, immediately get back on the interstate going the opposite direction, then make a u-turn at the next emergency access to continue north again. Enough trips north should fix that (yes?) but how did that one come to be in the first place? :)
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby Shorty-CM » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:27 am

So fix it, heh. You've got a pretty big misunderstanding of what waze is. And possibly some anger management issues.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby DarkAudit » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:13 am

I'll tell you again. Because those streets Waze wants me to take do not exist. Those are houses and yards there, not roads. Some of the other roads it wants me to use are no more than goat paths. If Waze is obviously wrong, I am not going to be an enabler and use a wrong and possibly dangerous route.

There are maybe a dozen Waze users in this town. The map is barely filled in, so it's looking more likely that the map started out this wrong. Didn't anybody think to check the Waze map against some others first before taking the thing live?
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby Shorty-CM » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:34 am

Take the "wrong" route a couple times. It'll stop. I don't know why people are expecting waze to work perfectly right out of the box. It needs DATA before it can make sound decisions on that data. If you never give it the data to work with, then obviously it won't be making optimal decisions. Not to mention, if you always ignore waze's directions, how on earth are you ever going to be routed around traffic? It'll be telling you to avoid such and such because of traffic, and you'll just think "wtf is wrong with this stupid thing?" while you drive right into the heart of the traffic.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby banished » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:02 am

I drive the same route everyday and Waze continues to try and get me to take a side street when the 4-lane divided highway I am on will get me home much faster. As an A.M., I have completely rebuilt the section of road in question, resolved all map problems, and still Waze insists upon the side street.

If there truly is route auto-learning in Waze, it is broke.

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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby DarkAudit » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:19 am

No way in hell am I going to "do what Waze tells me to." I can't afford the car repairs and legal fees after I try to drive on roads Waze insists are there, but are really someone's yard.

It's up to Waze to figure out that I have to turn *here*, since I can't go anywhere else. Even after the map's been corrected, it takes nearly a week for the client to get the updates.

The routes have actually gotten worse now that Waze has compiled some of my drives. Since I'm the only one in my neighborhood using it, it's decided that a few of my streets are now one way since that's the only direction I've gone on them. And now that I've found that out, it'll be *another* week before those corrections are picked up.

I'd like to know where Waze got it's original maps of Morgantown & Westover, WV, because they don't come anywhere close to reality at the residential level. I keep getting sent down streets that have been dead ends for over 50 years.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:31 pm

I agree.

I sometimes have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that not everyone is a techno geek like me. Sigh. :cry:
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby RallyChris » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:26 pm

unwallflower wrote:This is also why you can edit the map online. Sure, waze learns when you drive with it on... but it learns MUCH faster if you just correct errors online rather than waiting for it to learn by just driving.


But we have to admit that some of this is not very intuitive to anyone that just picks this app off one of the app stores.

Us heavy hitters on the forums are the inquisitive ones that will dig through every link on the website. But waze needs to do more to educate the average Joe, so they don't get disenfranchised because Waze may not behave like a commercial navigation unit.
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Re: Navigation does not seem to learn

Postby unwallflower » Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:26 pm

This is also why you can edit the map online. Sure, waze learns when you drive with it on... but it learns MUCH faster if you just correct errors online rather than waiting for it to learn by just driving.
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