robin1979 wrote:waynemcdougall wrote:If Waze can only be used by uber-nerdy map editors who know the magic buttons to click to stop Waze routing them to their death, then, you know what, that's a problem.
He enabled 'prefer road-munching', which causes this. This will not happen for normal users (they will only be routed through verified roads. It's not as big of a problem as you seem to make it now.
Also, this behavior is described in the wiki somewhere.
BrutusNL wrote:Robin, I disagree. One if the 'crowd pleasers' is the pacman effect. If I am a newbie and see that I can switch on something to collect more points, it should never disobey the restrictions that apply. Under no circumstance! Specifically when it has been manually restricted. And 'normal' users won't read the wiki, so it's no use to expect this to be sufficient information.
I second Wayne in that I am a huge Waze fan and love the general community idea. However, and it might be the Halloween spirit, I fear that Waze will never really pickup if these basics of a gps navi are not working properly. People give up after two or three of those stupid errors and that leaves us with a community of 50-100 Waze fanatics.
Somebody broke the map there.
robin1979 wrote:Waze chooses the any route (and it warns you it might not be correct).
[/quote]robin1979 wrote:Everybody who blindly follows his navigation system anyway is a perfect example of Darwin's law (and - actually - Dutch law...
robin1979 wrote:waynemcdougall wrote:robin1979 wrote:http://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=7&lat=52.07645&lon=5.15744&layers=BTFTFFFFTFFFFFFFFTTTTT&seg-1=89636563
Somebody broke the map there.
Agreed. Hopefully it was humans and not the Waze server. I have fixed it.
Do you have rights for fix things there???
robin1979 wrote:waynemcdougall wrote:But that's not the turn that I reported. I'm not sure where that one comes from - I haven't looked at them all. Just one that is faulty turn directions on a good map, as I reported and is linked above.
No, it's not the turn you reported, but the road further ahead is broken, so Waze tries to find a route anyway. Since it can't route you the correct way (because that's broken), it suggests you this route. It's choosing between two evils...
robin1979 wrote:Read the disclaimer on startup (btw: I'm using the English client - I'm not a big fan of the Dutch language).
[/quote]robin1979 wrote:waynemcdougall wrote:robin1979 wrote:Everybody who blindly follows his navigation system anyway is a perfect example of Darwin's law (and - actually - Dutch law...
Other cases of GPS failures have been where roads have changed, or fallen into disrepair, or not been suitable for vehicles...things you can basically understand.
People would not understand a modern, crowdsourced GPS system that sends you the wrong-way up a freeway ramp, when the underlying map is perfectly correct.
They would say the system was dangerously and negligently defective.
And they would be right.
Not by dutch standards, and definitely not by Dutch law. It is the same as putting a cat in the microwave, in the Netherlands you will get sued for harming an animal, in other countries the supplier/manufacturer of the appliance gets sued.
Atlas85 wrote:Haven’t yet read the complete topic BUT: Waze does this A LOT. I’ve seen more than one (or 20, or 50!) occasions where it either leads me into 1-way roads (locked & unlocked), or makes me turn around on the freeway against the traffic. It is a pretty common error, although easily ignorable. It does make routing and navigating hard and unreliable.
EDIT: waze should never ignore manual-restricted intersections and driving directions, as it may assume they are more correct than a road with a missing segment. It should than just give you a warning "Can't find a route", not leading you to your possible death - although you are of course reliable for your own actions.
BrutusNL wrote:Maybe the turn was messed up, but the ramp was one way, nothing more, nothing less...ergo you can never give directions to drive against traffic. Maybe even more so on ramps or freeways.
BrutusNL wrote:I am not a newbie and, though not as much as you, have done my share of editting and I know for a fact that e.g. the left turn at Machinekade was correctly restricted by disabling all turns at the junction except the one I manually allowed and making the road 'no entrance'.
support wrote:Hi BrutusNL,
We tried to recreate this problematic route you've mentioned and it looks fine. We got a perfectly drivable route. Please mention the date of your drive (when you got this specific route) and the origin+destination spots, so we can look into this more thoroughly.
Write these details to our support mail (firstname.lastname@example.org) and we'll answer you personally.
gerben wrote:I think that once the segments are locked, and the change has been taken to the live map, routing will be fine. When unlocked, Waze thinks the segment might be two-way, which is clearly not the case here.
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