waynemcdougall wrote:1. You have beautiful roads. And a beautiful map.
2. I notice there are little kinks in the connections of the roads to the roundabout. Not that that is the cause, but I'm curious about why they are there. Can I learn something?
They were an experiment. Another user suggested that a exiting road perpendicular to the roundabout roads might solve it. Obviously it didn't.
3. Not that you needed confirming, but yes I confirm the same problem.
4. No wonder you are annoyed. It is totally unacceptable to get wrong verbal instructions.
I agree. You can watch the map on your device and see where to go. However, I want the instructions to be right AND I want to understand how it works and why it doesn't in this case. I'm a precisian
5. I'd guess that it is the angle of arrival and departure. A long thin roundabout - but that design must be standard. Are there other roundabouts in this shape that work correctly? That you can point me at?
I know of no similar roundabouts at all, unfortunately.
Indeed, that's a 'simple' roundabout. I have dozens of those in my region. They never were any trouble. Come to think of it, one day they all were! One day some time ago - can't remember the date - all simple roundabouts suddenly used the keep right/left continue straight format. 15 minutes later upon restarting Waze for my short trip back home they were all fine again. I reported it with support, but they never found out what caused this temporary glitch. But that has nothing to do with this specific roundabout.
That roundabout is very straight forwards too.
8. I do think continue straight and turn left and turn right at roundabout are better for people to understand, especially in places where nearly all the roundabouts are simple. But it has to work for all cases!
I agree, but in NL, many 'simple' roundabouts connecting 4 roads can even be a bit tricky, as the angles between the exits may be far from 90 degrees. So, continue straight may actually be 'keeping a bit left', if you get what I mean. But enough about my preference. Either way, the system has to do it right, but we agree on this.
9. One way would not be to make it a roundabout at all. Just roads that are in an oval shape. But would drivers consider it to be a roundabout, and expect at the nth exit?
It formally is a roundabout. The traffic signs say so. Furthermore, the distance between the 2nd and 3rd exit in this case is so small, that only a "Turn right" wouldn't be enough. The turn right for the 3rd exit would be heard upon passing the 2nd exit, causing people to quickly take that exit.
10. On review I think it is the angle of the relative locations of the entrances and the exits - it's probably too complex to look at the angle of the departing road segment, which will change.
Support had a story about the angles of the lines that go to the exits from the roundabout centre node. Those angles should be important (see the image in my previous post). However, changing the location of the centre node - I even placed it outside of the roundabout to try - didn't help.
11. My suggestion would be if the distance is more than 40m to switch to nth exit prompts. That should be easy to implement.
I think it should be dependent of the diameter. A hypothetical roundabout with a diameter of 10m with ten exits has 6m per exit. Maybe the angle is a better approach. Then it should say if the angle between exits is smaller than X then switch to nth exits prompts.
12. What is the current status of your discussions with Waze HQ support?
Support more or less gave up, because they didn't know what the actual mechanism is. That surprised me. Their colleagues made it.