Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

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Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby mudge42 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:31 pm

The current MA standard for city/town names on street segments is to use one of the 351 official names as primary for streets. While this works well in most cases, there are situations (notably Boston’s neighborhoods and the Cape’s villages) where strict adherence to this rule can cause routing problems, and we have deviated from the rule in the past (particularly on the Cape).

To address this issue, the following change is proposed for street segments only (does not apply to Places):

1. Use official name as primary, unless:

2. There is a well-established village/neighborhood/CDP name, with defined boundaries, that is more commonly used (and has been cleared with SMs and listed in the MA wazeo as accepted). This can be used as the primary, with official name as alternate. [Consideration: will official name as alternate still create routing issues?]

3. Even if the boundaries are not well-defined, there is duplication in street name / address between villages (e.g. Harwichport/West Harwich) or a neighborhood vs. city (think Dorchester/Boston), leading to routing issues which could be solved by using village/neighborhood name as primary. Again, clearance by SM required. [But do you re-do an entire neighborhood just to fix one of two problem streets? Or keep more targeted?]

4. Any other oddball cases. Discussion, agreement, and publishing on the MA wazeo required.

Please reply with questions, comments, concerns, etc. Thanks.

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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby SNYOWL » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:14 pm

Mudge42, thanks for bringing this topic forward. I like the idea that there will be a discussion among editors concerning the towns that fall into this category. Although those areas are not in my usual editing area I look forward to following the discussion and learning from it. Listing these townships that are exceptions in the Wazeopedia will enable editing to be consistent between editors.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby jaywazin » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:24 pm

We forsee that there will not necessarily be full agreement on what should or should not be a village, but a major reason for the requirement for discussion and SM approval is that it may be easier to define rules based on what we're trying to prevent rather than what we're trying to accomplish.
1) We don't want situations where drivers disagree with a village name being used
2) We don't want adverse consequences from unnecessary village name in the city layer of the app/editor and false alerts from editing scripts
3) We don't want back/forth editing changes between editors who disagree on village usage.
4) We DO want an improved driving experience, particularly when there are ambiguities on street/city combinations (common in Boston area where formerly independent municipalities were annexed by Boston).

As to the difficulty of defining boundaries, see:
http://bostonography.com/ (crowd-sourced definitions of neighborhood boundaries) vs http://www.bostonplans.org/research-map ... ywide-maps (city definitions)
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby tenetienne » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:28 am

Excellent topic Mudge42. And it isn't just Boston and The Islands area where we have this problem. i.e. Chelmsford / North Chelmsford where I decided to find all the segments with North Chelmsford and change them to Chelmsford to match the official listing of town / city names in Wazeopedia. There was a short discussion there about a former editor taking the time to name many of them as belonging to North Chelmsford and here I was going and changing them back to North Chelmsford.
With respect to your initial post,
Consideration: will official name as alternate still create routing issues?
did my renaming all those segments cause routing issues? I don't know to be honest. I haven't seen an increase in URs in that area, but that doesn't mean that there haven't been issues.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby twilde42 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:35 am

I seem to recall some discussion about this before somewhere, but could we use the USPS ZIP code definitions as a guideline?

In particular in Boston this eliminates many/most of the neighborhoods (South End, Back Bay, North End, to name a few, are not recognized USPS names), but captures the ones that I see the most (JP, Charlestown). In my experience, the USPS addressing conventions are how people list addresses for web sites, etc, so they're the most likely to be in people's minds. They also have well-defined boundaries.

I don't know if the USPS data is appropriately licensed for us to use, or if there's a good way to overlay it (I also seem to recall someone making a perhaps-unofficial overlay at some point?), but it's an idea if it's feasible...

As an example that just came up in Discord, there's a UR (https://www.waze.com/editor?env=usa&lon ... st=7863123) referring to 02130 and wondering why it doesn't come up with Jamaica Plain - if you look up 02130 on the USPS site, Jamaica Plain is the primary name, with Boston as an "also accepted name". If you look up my ZIP code in the South End, 02118, Boston is the primary name, with Roxbury as an "also accepted name". My suggestion would be that the USPS primary name is what we would use - so nothing in Roxbury would change (which is good, because labeling things in the South End as Roxbury will DEFINITELY get us angry URs :)), but JP, Charlestown, and perhaps others (I haven't exhaustively checked all of Boston's ZIP codes :)) would get their more common usage.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby banished » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:27 pm

Zip code boundaries are defined and easily viewable in the WME using the WME US Government Boundaries script.

https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=819&t=213344

If you read down into the weeds, even zip codes are not a pure representation, but they are as pure as we have.

Proposal: Pick a street segment in Jamaica Plains and change the primary city to Jamaica Plains. (Any city with a similar issue would do, but why not start here?)

Base the determination of primary and alternate WME names on the USPS designation of Default and Other.

https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupResu ... 02130&zip=


After the tiles update, perform two searches for an address on that street: one using the Primary name and one using the Secondary. They should both return to the same location.

I know this works because I live in the same environment, but believe this experiment is necessary so that NER editors gain confidence that this works as a solution.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby johnsninja58 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:25 pm

I would agree Zip Codes are a simple boundary as they often reflect neighborhoods names and as twilde42 indicated it is the way people list their address.

A quick comparison of different official resources on Neighborhoods for Boston reveals

Zip Codes in Boston - 15 Neighborhoods

Boston Planning & Development Agency - 26 Neighborhoods

City of Boston - 23 Neighborhoods

Im inclined to go with the Zip Code one (although BPDA does have some maps)

A break down of the Zip Code Analysis, I would ignore Alt names the USPS has and use the primary names (Bolded).
Boston - 02108, 02109, 02110, 02111, 02113, 02114, 02115, 02116, 02123, 02133, 02163, 02199, 02203, 02210, 02215, 02222,
Roxbury - 02119,
Roxbury Crossing / Mission Hill, Roxbury- 02120
Dorchester / Alt Grove Hall - 02121 (Group with Dorchester)
Dorchester - 02122
Dorchester Center / Alt Dorchester - 02124
Dorchester / Alt Uphams Corner - 02125 (Group with Dorchester)
Mattapan - 02126
South Boston - 02127
East Boston - 02128
Charlestown - 02129
Jamaica Plain - 02130
Roslindale - 02131
West Roxbury - 02132
Allston - 02134
Brighton - 02135
Hyde Park / Alt Readville - 02136

PO Box or Company Specific 02112, 02117m 02123, 02137, 02196, 02201, 02204, 02205, 02206, 02211, 02212, 02217, 02241, 02266, 02283, 02284, 02293, 02297, 02298

I suggest that allowing the usage of these above BOLDED Neighborhoods in Boston (but by no means am suggesting a rapid change to the existing road network, but allow them if issues arise). Looking at the City layer in WME I already see that Charlestown & Hyde Park is established despite not being a recognized city, so do we go and process these two to be removed from existence or accept that they exist and acknowledge the other neighborhoods of Boston so as issues come up we can more efficiently address?

I agree that Banished test represents a good first step, I have done similar tests with alt road names for addresses (there was a Discord Presentation on alt names road HN). You might have to wait a couple of tile updates to ensure a new City Name takes hold (and you need a R4 to create the City), or test this out in one of the established Neighborhoods Charlestown/Hyde Park.

(Side note a quick browse of the Commonwealth reveals 445 Cities at some level existing in waze)

Of course this all at the discretion and feedback of the local state managers.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby mudge42 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:01 pm

Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions. I have updated Boylston St in JP to have "Jamaica Plain" as the primary city, and "Boston" as the alternate (did not require adding Jamaica Plain as a new city name). After the tile update, we can test.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby jaywazin » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:49 pm

A few additional considerations:

1) An option other than USPS zip codes (albeit slightly more complicated) which will allow generalizing beyond Boston - There is a Massachusetts official listing of streets called the MSAG (Master Street Address Guide) which was developed to provide uniqueness of Community and street names for 911 purposes.

https://docs.digital.mass.gov/dataset/m ... ommunities
Online map here

"In most cases an MSAG community matches the boundaries of the 351 official municipalities in the commonwealth. Some cities and towns are divided into more than one MSAG community."

"Therefore there are 383 MSAG community polygons in the state. Ten municipalities are further subdivided into more than one MSAG community. They are Barnstable, Boston, Deerfield, Dennis, Harvard, Nantucket, Northampton, Palmer, Shirley and Springfield."

Caveats:
"The spelling of MSAG communities does not always agree with the official spelling of the town name. For example the town of North Attleborough is associated with the MSAG community of North Attleboro. Where towns are subdivided into multiple MSAG communities they are not a representation of villages or ZIP Code areas. Although MSAG community values are often the same as village names they do not represent a comprehensive listing of the villages for that town nor are they the limits of villages where the names agree. The MSAG was based on keeping the combination of street names unique and only where there was ambiguity was a MSAG community created."

(2) For Boston I believe the USPS Zip and MSAG are pretty similar except MSAG removing Roxbury Crossing (lumped into Roxbury), Dorchester Center (lumped into Dorchester), and Allston (lumped into Brighton).

(3) I'm not sure if the proposal at the moment is to bulk rename neighborhoods. Another option is to address street name discrepencies individually as we come across them - either by only changing the city name primary/alt for those where we've received reports/complaints (and the corresponding duplicate), or by appending the village/neighborhood name to the street name as in the Hyannis/Osterville example towards the bottom of the page here.
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Re: Primary City / Town Name on MA Street Segments

Postby SanzClew » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:50 pm

The MSAG map is quite nice. I wonder if we could ask MapOMatic to create an overlay with his script so we can drop names accurately.
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