County Road Naming

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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:05 am

Riamus wrote:However, are you certain that West Lincoln Avenue in Cheboygan should be something other than a Street?


Fixed. I wasn't sure about that. WME automatically selected all of Riggsville Rd and I had to either extend it or back it out. :)

Riamus wrote:the County Highways (these are actual county highways rather than county roads) should be listed as Minor Highways.


I have mixed feelings about this. In my experience, the county highways are difficult to locate without local knowledge or GPS assistance. I hope we can get another opinion. sketch?
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:01 am

sketch wrote:That was originally how we did it here in Louisiana, but since there is no real functional difference between major and minor highways, we decided to make US highways Major and Louisiana highways Minor, essentially for display purposes.


I think MDOT has always been more in line with the "functional" depiction. On the State road map, freeways are blue, highways are red, and county routes are black. On the State website, freeways are blue, highways are orange, major roads are yellow, and minor roads are white.

Not that we have to mimic MDOT, but it's what I'm used to seeing around here.

The Waze app, on the other hand, renders major highways and freeways the same, which is a bit confusing when one is a nice big Interstate and the other is merely a surface "pass with care" road.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:43 am

I drove through Pellston this week and was able to extend some of the county routes for you.

Unless I'm mistaken, county routes are generally "Primary Street" and the state routes are generally "Minor Highway".

My impression is that the US routes should also be "Minor Highway" unless they are divided and limited access, etc. However, someone has made all of the US routes in northern Michigan into "Major Highway". This is something that I would like to make more consistent with southern Michigan, but my editing area isn't large enough to make any of those changes.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:22 pm

sketch wrote:Based on the signs, I would recommend "CR-B15" as the format.


Looks good to me.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:30 pm

I don't think "CR" is appropriate, but I see other states using it. I just don't think anyone in Michigan would know what "CR" means. I suggest sending a PM to some of the more experienced editors in this area and asking if they would comment here.

"County Hwy 15" is a reasonable alternative to "B-15" but I would prefer the shorter version.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:54 pm

Since we're moving toward MI-XXX for the state highways, we should be using the short format for county highways now as well.

Also, it seems we are still using local signage to determine the primary road name, so the highway number is often just an alternate name.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:49 pm

Once we get the checkbox for unpaved, that will be easier to handle because you can label it as a primary street if that's what it is and still mark it as unpaved so people can avoid it if they prefer.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:25 pm

robc007 wrote:Detroit can't afford primary streets. :}

Lol. They can't afford to maintain them anyhow.

You may want to look at any of those that you're changing from Street to make sure they aren't county highways. I had to add the county highway alternate names to the ones in northern Michigan because they weren't on there as alternate road names from the import. I noticed you added them to the section of the roads around Cheboygan that I wasn't able to do yet, so you probably already noticed that. I'm not sure how they are in southern Michigan as I haven't looked down there yet.

And I definitely agree with using Primary Street on regular roads that have a more important use than normal streets. Any road that the majority of traffic would use to get from point A to point B could probably be labeled as a Primary Street without being incorrect. As long as point A and point B are not close to each other (eg. the majority of traffic from one block to the next would use the same route, but that doesn't make it a primary street). :) Roads labeled "County Road XXX" on the street sign probably would make sense as Primary Streets as well, though I am not sure that I've had any specific experience driving roads with that label, so I am not sure how accurate that is.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:19 pm

A quick note... I think you meant that Primary Streets are intra-city rather than inter-city. :)

Just to throw this in for anyone who may be reading this and doesn't know much about Michigan's roads... The county highway system was started when a US route (US-31) was moved when I-196 was built. The Blue Star Highway was then no longer marked on the state highway maps because it was no longer a US highway. The owners of a hotel along Blue Star Highway started getting cancellations because visitors couldn't find them on the highway maps, so they spent time trying to get the highway added back. After some time, they got a senator to help get a test system in place that marked Blue Star Highway as County Highway A-2 on the state highway maps in 1970. After testing throughout the year, the County Highway system was made official with regions of A-H set up. The region letter corresponds to the highway name. Since that time, county highways were added for all regions except region E, which represents the "thumb" area of the lower peninsula. Not all counties have added roads to the county highway system, though all approved it at the time it was adopted. Over time, some counties have stopped maintaining the signage on the roads they added to the county highway system due to lack of money. This has led many of the county highways to be poorly labeled. Due to the lack of maintained labels, it may not always be apparent that you're driving on a county highway. This doesn't mean they aren't still part of the county highway system, just that the signs are not being maintained well.

* History paraphrased from Wikipedia.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:39 pm

What do you mean by difficult to locate? I have an entire list of the County Highways for Michigan including where they extend to. There are some questions about how far some really extend due to lack of signage, but most are known and even if it's a little short of the official length, the majority of even those ones are known for certain. And I'm not sure why difficulty in locating them would relate to whether or not they are Minor Highways?

Any of the roads marked with a letter and number in the range of A* to H* (skipping E*) are designated as County Highways. There are also County Roads that are written as County Road followed by a number (I believe all are 3 digits, but I'm not positive on that). The county highway system was meant to provide designated roads between counties that can handle larger amounts of traffic than the typical side roads you have everywhere else. Of course, in most cases, the quality of the road is the same for side streets, county highways, and state highways. Still, those were designated as county highways to provide good traffic flow between counties. I think the fact that the state highways are usually not any better than side roads is why some or perhaps all are listed as Minor Highway instead of Major Highway.
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