County Road Naming

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Re: County Road Naming

Postby sketch » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:00 pm

What do the signs look like?

State highways and all lesser numbered roads are considered on a state-by-state basis, according to regional usage. That's why we specifically do not have a "standard" for this -- each state has its own system, and therefore its own nomenclature. (While there may also be regional nomenclatures for US Routes and Interstate highways, these are nationwide systems, and therefore have nationwide standards.) Maybe it's easier to look at per-system rather than per-state. Either way, as long as each state's standard matches local usage and looks something like "State Hwy xx", "SR-xx", "M-xx", or "LA-xx", it should be fine. (We shouldn't spell out what can be abbreviated -- TTS will read "SR" as "State Route" -- but we also cannot abbreviate what must be spelled out -- TTS does not expand "SH" to "State Highway".)

TTS expands "CR" to "County Road", so we should maybe consider using that for the sake of brevity. Perhaps someone looking at "CR" out of context wouldn't know what it means, but in context it should be relatively easy to understand, I would think -- especially once the user hears "County Road" spoken aloud.

Before making a decision, I would want to know (1) what the signs say and (2) what street/postal addresses on these roads look like before ditching the letter. "CR-B-15" looks weird, "CR-B15" should be okay.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:37 pm

I'll see what the regional coordinator thinks. And if anyone else sees this and wants to leave their opinions as well, that would be good. My only real concern with just B-15 or A-2 is that there are then 8 different designations for county roads. Although that's valid for the state, it's certainly not a standard way of naming roads. I know each state has their own way of doing things, but I think a standard is better so someone driving between states knows what things mean. County Hwy or CR (pronounced in Waze as County Road) are easily recognizable anywhere in the country. B-15 isn't necessarily recognizable as a county road except by those in the state or perhaps nearby states who have heard of it. It's one thing to have some called State Highways and some called State Roads and some called State Routes... those are all clear to anyone hearing them. And interstates are always I-XXX, so that's clear. State roads using a state letter and then number (such as M-XXX in Michigan) are fairly clear as long as the letter matches the state name. That's fairly common across the country. But just B-15 isn't necessarily clear except if you know the area.

CR-B15, CR-15, County Hwy 15, County Hwy B-15... these are all clear when read because they all start with County Road or County Highway in the verbal directions. I do agree that shorter names are nice when displayed and can be nice when read as well. But most county roads in Michigan are going to be alternate names, so won't be displayed. And there really aren't that many county roads in the state, so you are going to have only a small number that are going to be on a sign for an off-ramp and need to be read by Waze. So for the most part, these are more for the editor than for the driver in Michigan. And when editing, it really doesn't matter what it is so long as it makes sense. Of course, I guess that also means that having it be something like B-15 isn't a big deal because in most cases it won't be seen or heard from the client. I don't know... I'll go with whatever everyone decides.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:30 pm

I don't think "CR" is appropriate, but I see other states using it. I just don't think anyone in Michigan would know what "CR" means. I suggest sending a PM to some of the more experienced editors in this area and asking if they would comment here.

"County Hwy 15" is a reasonable alternative to "B-15" but I would prefer the shorter version.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:07 pm

So, CR-15 in my example? And yes, for many county roads in Michigan, the county roads are definitely an alternate rather than a primary name.
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Re: County Road Naming

Postby robc007 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:54 pm

Since we're moving toward MI-XXX for the state highways, we should be using the short format for county highways now as well.

Also, it seems we are still using local signage to determine the primary road name, so the highway number is often just an alternate name.
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County Road Naming

Postby Riamus » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:10 pm

The naming guidelines in the Wiki for Michigan aren't entirely clear, so I wanted to get some feedback on naming county roads in Michigan. The Wiki says to use County Hwy XXX, which is good. However, county roads in Michigan are named differently by region (B-15, A-2, etc.). Based on the Wiki naming information, should these be called something like County Hwy 15 or County Hwy B-15? I think everyone just says the number, but it could be potentially confusing if there are any instances of 15 in multiple regions. I haven't gone through to compare the county roads in every region to see if there are duplicate numbers or not.

I also noticed a county road just called by the letter-number designation instead of being called County Hwy XXX. According to the Michigan information in the Wiki, that would be incorrect. I just want to verify that the Wiki is correct and these should all be called County Hwy XXX before I look into correcting any of them.
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