Landmark Wiki for MI

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Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby Riamus » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:06 pm

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I'd like to suggest that we set up a Wiki for landmarks similar to what Connecticut has. It is basically the same as what we tell people, but it provides far more detail over what is or isn't allowed and how to mark things than any of the national landmark articles. I'd like to see if there needs to be any discussion over what is on the Connecticut page. Does anyone disagree with anything on that page with regards to mapping the items in MI? Or is it correct as-is? After discussion, we can get a page set up with the information and then I think it would be valuable to have a link to that page stickied (and perhaps other important MI pages that we may create or that are already created).

One quick note regarding the page is that the information on gas station landmarks isn't correct. They don't suppress traffic problems at this time. The same for parking lot landmarks. Also, I think I've seen more consensus to naming the station based on the most prominent signage rather than the brand. They mention both methods on their Wiki page and it isn't perhaps as clear as it should be. But that could be discussed as needed. And I think any public parking (paid or not) that is not tied to an individual business (or mall) should get landmarked. CT says only free ones get landmarked. Ones tied to a business shouldn't be landmarked, of course.

Any thoughts or opinions?

As a side note, I'm also suggesting this for North Carolina as these are the two areas I'm most interested in.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby robc007 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:32 pm

I've been using the guidelines at viewtopic.php?f=129&t=38934

They are slightly different.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby Riamus » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:15 pm

Yeah, same idea. I just linked the Wiki page as it would give us a good starting point to create our own Wiki page. There are differences as you mentioned and I've included a few issues as well in my post. I think there is leeway to adjust some things to best benefit each state individually as needed. For example, CT notes that there are no toll roads in the state. That is helpful information that varies from other states. It requires some consideration and discussion to have different rules, which is why I wanted to bring it up. Topics aren't always kept up-to-date and as someone pointed out to me here, it's better to link to a Wiki than to the forum because each thread won't likely be updated once it's old, but the Wiki should be. The current USA Landmark Wiki isn't filled in at all yet and would give guidelines for the entire country, which although good as a general guide isn't necessarily perfect for all states. Anyhow, if it isn't thought to be a good option, then we can drop it. I just thought I would suggest it. CT has made some nice Wiki pages and doing similar for Michigan can only benefit our editors as well. More than likely, the CT page was based on the USA thread with whatever differences they felt were needed in CT.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby keeegs » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:17 am

Seems like a good idea to me.

I think we also need to decide on the use of Parking Lots for. IMO if they're a public pay lot they should be landmarked.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby the1who » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:38 am

Parking lots at places like airports that are numbered, or sporting arenas/stadiums that are numbered, park and ride lots should be mapped. I might have missed one or two there, but all other lots should be deleted. I have had an issue here in my area where parking lots were added left and right for strip malls and convenience stores. I might have missed something there or so but that is my basic thoughts late in the night on it there.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby robc007 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:27 am

I have to say, in my experience so far, the park and ride lots don't seem to do anything useful on the map.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby Riamus » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:12 am

robc007 wrote:I have to say, in my experience so far, the park and ride lots don't seem to do anything useful on the map.


Why not? You aren't heading to a business that has a lot where there is no need to mark it because you expect the lot to be there. Instead, the lot could be virtually anywhere around the city. They are not all very easy to find if you don't know where they are. Any lot that allows parking throughout the day regardless where you go from there should be marked, imo. It provides people who need to go to many locations to find parking lots where they are allowed to leave their car without it being towed away.

the1who: I agree. Numbered lots have value so you can find the right lot. And parking lot landmarks should never be used for businesses and strip malls and the like.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby mapcat » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:01 pm

robc007 wrote:I have to say, in my experience so far, the park and ride lots don't seem to do anything useful on the map.

Eventually some (maybe all?) landmarks will be searchable, so it would be helpful to include park & ride lots to assist with the app's primary goal of assisting commuters.
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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby the1who » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:33 pm

For the record, I worked with Hy-Vee to coordinate the triathlon event this weekend. I created a so called temporary parking lot with Hy-Vee triathlon parking in the name. It so far has been searchable across livemap and the client, give it a try if you like. I also created the numbered economy parking lot at Des Moines and KC international. The lots are searchable and for here in KC most know where to go park for the one of three terminals. I navigates you right to it for the regular traveler. I have used it twice this year, really handy. So when it comes that all become searchable, someone wanting to find the nearest park and ride would benefit.

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Re: Landmark Wiki for MI

Postby Boiler_81 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:29 pm

The national proposal (based on the Connecticut guidelines) for landmarks is no being followed in MI https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=38934 I have been deleting landmarks which do not meet the guideline with the exception of bodies of water and Religious Sites (most don't meet the criteria of "Major"). Going forward, I am going to start following the National Guidelines and delete religious sights and bodies of water unless there is a separate MI guidance/consensus to the contrary.
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