Road classification update

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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:07 am

Riamus wrote:I'm not sure which roads were changed, but I do see some Minor Highways that were edited by sketch today. Maybe those are the ones you meant? I looked at the NFC and those all seem to be green roads in the NFC. Green would be Minor Highways unless there is a reason to upgrade them to Major. It could also be that the ones that were changed are already changed back.

I changed a whole bunch today. When I got to it there were basically patches of Major Highway amidst various Primary Streets. I figure whoever tried to change it back only had so much driven areas or was lazy, or something.

Anyway, I did a few major roads pretty far out (Woodward all the way to Pontiac, M-53 all the way up to Bad Axe) and chose the rest of my attack based on what would look consistent for now, taking all the partially-changed roads and changing them so they'd be contiguous for the time being until I'm able to tackle the rest of the area.
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:29 pm

davielde wrote:I've started extending the NFC work to Washtenaw county as well.

EDIT: Washtenaw has all of the NFC principal arterials listed as major highways with the exception of two routes:
1) Could someone change Ford Rd from M-14 to Telegraph since a portion is locked and I don't have access to most of that road anyway?
2) There are a few segments near the intersection of State and Ellsworth that are locked.

Permalinks? I will take care of it.
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:23 pm

Done. I'd stopped with Ford at Telegraph for the time being because it seemed like a good stopping point and because I didn't go quite that far west. :P
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:27 pm

Riamus wrote:Oops. Hit the solved button instead of the thanks button. It doesn't appear that I can undo that. Anyhow, thanks to everyone helping out.

I can! ;)
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:05 am

Working through Macomb and Wayne counties. St Clair is a priority too. Real easy to get lost in the Detroit map..


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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:45 pm

Your gut is correct—dirt roads trump NFC classification.

This is why many editors have been clamoring for a "dirt road" toggle like the "toll road" one. I didn't really understand that need until the first time I went to Michigan. I've since encountered a number of these in northern Macomb County, both in person and on the NFC map.

Regardless, it isn't a huge deal in most cases, since (as far as I know) Primary Street and Street have the same distance limitations. The arterial presents an interesting quandary, but the "dirt roads" setting should work as advertised. If there's a paved alternative, then it isn't a problem.


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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:58 am

Finishing Detroit itself is my next target. I've done a lot of the ones that extend north into Macomb, and a lot of the ones that connect to the west with roads you've already done, but some of the intra-city roads still have to be done. I've had a busy weekend, but I should be able to get some more editing done tomorrow.

After that, I'm planning to look at St Clair and Lapeer counties, including Port Huron. I wouldn't mind tackling Downriver and Flint after that.
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:45 pm

I would support CR for all. TTS says "County Road". Seems like a reasonably simple deduction even for those not familiar with the abbreviation.
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:23 pm

Because NFC classifications (other than freeway) do not depend on the size or style of the road, only on the amount of traffic served by the road, and the function of the road in serving that traffic. A two-lane highway can sometimes be the primary or only thoroughfare through an entire region. In that case it's absolutely a principal arterial, and needs to be a Major Highway because Waze will exclude Minor Highways for very long routes (not sure how long, but I'd suspect somewhere between 50-100 miles).

The current "Waze instructions" are wrong. That's kind of the point.
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Re: Road classification update

Postby sketch » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:57 pm

US-31 is an extreme example, of course, but that doesn't make it such that no other route can be a principal arterial. For the specific reasons for its classification, you'd have to ask the FHWA (although I'm pretty sure population served is the answer), but it looks pretty obvious to me by zooming out on the map.

Maple Rd best serves east-west travel along that corridor. Quarton is discontinuous and winding; there is a break in 14 Mile; Lone Pine doesn't cover the same distance. There's no need for someone at Maple and Dequindre to go all the way to either 12 Mile or Long Lake to get to 96. At the same time, it should be considered as an alternative to Long Lake for someone going from, say, Long Lake and Mound to Wixom, if there's traffic on Long Lake. Waze will more readily look at alternatives that are of a higher type.
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