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Overriding Functional Classification

Post by davielde
DIRT ROADS
I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful when upgrading road types with the NFC maps, particularly in rural areas. A number of streets that MDOT classifies as major or minor collectors are dirt roads. In order to preserve the avoid/avoid long dirt road option in the client, the road type should remain "Dirt Road / 4x4 Trail" (unless the much-requested checkbox for dirt roads distinct from road type is now a new feature in the beta editor, and I'm not aware of it...).

When editing today, I noticed a few stretches that were recently changed to Primary Street. Assuming the road commission has not been busy paving these in the last few weeks, I changed the following areas of Livingston county back to dirt. I haven't looked too closely to see if there are any more, but those are the ones from driving experience that stood out.
1) Hacker north of Golf Club Rd (major collector)
2) Hughes north of Golf Club Rd (minor collector)

While Street View is not always up-to-date, it provides a good, quick test as to whether the street should be upgraded to match NFC or not for roads that you may not drive often or at all. If Street View is not available, it probably means it's dirt or private, and Google therefore never drove it. In some cases, Street View is available, but it's clearly a dirt road. In some cases (as with the Hacker and Hughes examples), you see the transition from pavement to dirt clearly in Street View. In other cases, the road actually has been paved recently or planning is underway to pave it (as was done recently with Nixon Rd down to Chilson to support the new I-96/Latson Rd interchange), which you could only tell by driving it.
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Post by davielde
COUNTY HIGHWAYS
It was discussed in another thread, but another exception to NFC would be Michigan county highways that are part of the A through F system. These are distinct from county roads, and they should be classified as Minor Highway.

For two local examples in Livingston county, we have both D-19 and D-32. D-19 is a NFC minor arterial for most of its length (but is major collector in Pinckney), and D-32 is a NFC major collector for its whole length. "CR-D19" and "CR-D32" are both carry the Waze "minor highway" road type though. D-19 is well signed as such even on local street signs, whereas D-32 tends not to be as much. On both routes though, the blue county highway shield is present.
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Post by davielde
LOCAL WISDOM / PREVIOUS JUDGMENT
Another override would be to not downgrade a road to match NFC (except for the one possible exception below). This was discussed elsewhere as well, and I think that it would mostly be for primary streets rather than highways. If local wisdom from a previous editor had something as a Primary Street or higher before implementing NFC, but the NFC only classifies it as a local road for whatever reason, leave it as is.

I did notice in the transition to the v13 maps though that some roads that were classified as collectors in v12 are now local in v13. In this case, I suppose that the downgrade would be acceptable if it was only upgraded as part of the original v12 NFC upgrade. Unless you were the one who actually upgraded it within the past few months though, it may be difficult to tell since the v12 maps are no longer available online. Even in this case, it may be best to leave it alone rather than downgrade.
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Post by davielde
jdeyoung wrote:Sorry, I just noticed an overambitious rank 1 editor just undid most (if not all) of the NFC work in Holland MI.
I PM'ed the editor and our RC GizmoGuy, but the NFC edits will need to be re-done here.
Sigh.
Altho it seems heavy-handed, for now we should probably lock at level 2 for all of these and wait with bated breath for the traffic-lock approach for NA.
Thanks for the update. I just PM'ed miked_64 and captnkeegs, who are active AMs in or near that area as well. I don't currently have coverage there, or else I would help out.

We were fairly successful in manually locking Ann Arbor to 2 and 3 for minor highway on up. No one really opts to downgrade primary streets, and we've had no issues (so far) with leaving those collectors locked at 1.
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Panning over to Holland (because it's much more fun than searching in the editor), I happened to stop in Grand Rapids, and the west side caught my eye. Particularly, Lake Michigan Dr went from major highway to minor and back to major: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=2&lat ... 85&env=usa

I checked the Kent NFC map, and it looks like Lake Michigan Dr, Wilson, and Remembrance all need to be re-upgraded from a late January/early February downgrade. I didn't really look elsewhere in the county, but it may be worth looking around.
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Post by davielde
XanderBash wrote:What you tying to get done near Allendale? I live 5 miles from there :!:
Here is a link to some background on the road type classifications in Michigan. Basically, we are trying to classify roads according to national functional standards (as best determined by MDOT in our state). We go into it a bit in the Michigan wiki page as well. A forum discussion is now occurring to potentially standardize it somehow in the wiki here.

Every once in awhile, an editor comes through who is not aware of the standard or the discussions leading up to it, and they change the roads to different types. Over time though, moving to functional classification will hopefully eliminate a lot of problems due to different editors' somewhat subjective interpretation of what different road types mean. We instead just rely on MDOT's judgment, even if we don't agree with them 100% of the time.
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Post by davielde
This section of Bingham Rd is a dirt road but is a collector (a dirt road right off of Telegraph in Bloomfield Twp, who knew?)

The section just south from 13 Mile to 14 Mile is also open to local traffic only, and it was generating URs stating such when it was classified as a primary street. I downgraded to "Street" for now, and if the URs don't stop, I may look into creating small "Private Road" segments just at the junctions with 14 Mile and 13 Mile to help avoid routing through it.

EDIT: Bingham Rd actually does not appear as a collector in v13 maps. I no longer feel so bad about downgrading it. If anyone has any further guidance on the "local traffic only" issue, I would love to hear it. I got the private road for entrance and exit segments from a "no thru traffic" post that I found on the forum, but I didn't see anything in the wiki after a quick search.
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I noticed some downgrades in Bloomfield Township that are outside of my editable area today. I PMed the editor to point him to the NFC work and the Michigan wiki, but I cannot help with these edits myself. At least Long Lake and Franklin, and perhaps more streets are affected.

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EDIT: Segments look good after upgrade by sketch, 3/7/2014.
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Numerous downgrades have occurred in this area as well: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=3&lat ... 21&env=usa

EDIT: Looks good after upgrade by sketch, 3/7/2014.
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I noticed that there are some downgrades in this vicinity today. If another editor wants to jump in and upgrade, have at it: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... 09&env=usa
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