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Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby TheChrisK » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:16 pm

Montana editors,

In keeping with the national standard, please begin changing the naming of Secondary Highways from State Hwy ### to SH-### as you come across them.

https://wazeopedia.waze.com/wiki/USA/Ro ... e_highways


After reviewing proposed TTS and state shields, let's hold off on changing anything for now since will will have to change them again soon anyways.
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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby herrchin » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:06 pm

I thought there was a shield or TTS concern in MT? If not (or no longer), all the better!

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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby TheChrisK » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:30 pm

herrchin wrote:I thought there was a shield or TTS concern in MT? If not (or no longer), all the better!

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State Hwy or SH should translate the same right? MT-## is not going away for primary hwys
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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby herrchin » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:12 pm

This is really old memory, but I thought MT got shields for State Hwy and that's why it was kept. If true, but SH- also gives shields, or if neither give shields, but all TTS correct, than it's a matter of display preference, yes? And/or consistency with other states.

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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby TheChrisK » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:55 pm

herrchin wrote:This is really old memory, but I thought MT got shields for State Hwy and that's why it was kept. If true, but SH- also gives shields, or if neither give shields, but all TTS correct, than it's a matter of display preference, yes? And/or consistency with other states.

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Looking at the sheet for state shields, it looks like it was set for S-### which currently translates to ess ###. I guess I need to get that updated. Not sure where they are at with state shields.
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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways  Topic is solved

Postby herrchin » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:14 pm

TheChrisK wrote:
herrchin wrote:This is really old memory, but I thought MT got shields for State Hwy and that's why it was kept. If true, but SH- also gives shields, or if neither give shields, but all TTS correct, than it's a matter of display preference, yes? And/or consistency with other states.

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Looking at the sheet for state shields, it looks like it was set for S-### which currently translates to ess ###. I guess I need to get that updated. Not sure where they are at with state shields.
S- was the desired future format, but was going to be dependent on shield implementation and also a TTS update (like Nebraska received). I think it may have even been you to add S- to the shield sheet, way back when, Chris?

MT- gives no shield currently.

State Hwy does give a generic shield.

SH- does not appear to give a generic shield in the few examples I found of it in Idaho. I think that's why MT left "State Hwy" for the interim. They were going to be updated to S- anyway, and might as well have shields until then. That's what my fuzzy memory remembers...

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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby TheChrisK » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:25 pm

herrchin wrote:S- was the desired future format, but was going to be dependent on shield implementation and also a TTS update (like Nebraska received). I think it may have even been you to add S- to the shield sheet, way back when, Chris?

MT- gives no shield currently.

State Hwy does give a generic shield.

SH- does not appear to give a generic shield in the few examples I found of it in Idaho. I think that's why MT left "State Hwy" for the interim. They were going to be updated to S- anyway, and might as well have shields until then. That's what my fuzzy memory remembers...

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I have revised my original post. We will hold off for now. Thanks for bringing up the state shields and TTS. I forgot I still had access to the sheet.
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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby dBsooner » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:34 pm

TheChrisK wrote:
herrchin wrote:S- was the desired future format, but was going to be dependent on shield implementation and also a TTS update (like Nebraska received). I think it may have even been you to add S- to the shield sheet, way back when, Chris?

MT- gives no shield currently.

State Hwy does give a generic shield.

SH- does not appear to give a generic shield in the few examples I found of it in Idaho. I think that's why MT left "State Hwy" for the interim. They were going to be updated to S- anyway, and might as well have shields until then. That's what my fuzzy memory remembers...

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I have revised my original post. We will hold off for now. Thanks for bringing up the state shields and TTS. I forgot I still had access to the sheet.


Just going to throw my 2 cents in. Take with a grain of salt as it’s not my region. The state shield project isn’t complete either. I’m leaving my comments at that about incompleteness. In Oklahoma, half our highways show the shield, half don’t. We changed from State Hwy to SH- at the time of the shield project and submitted ours to the staff. However, it’s a crap shoot as to when you get a shield and when you get SH- on the map. Personally, I’d rather see SH- on the map than State Hwy. But, I think you have to at least have your state listed as using a particular format in order to even get some of the shields.


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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby banished » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:43 pm

I found MT-xxx on State Hwy xxx (S-xxx routes), which is not in accordance with the MT wiki. So far, most of them in the north-central region (Hill County) and I restored them back to the State Hwy xxx format so we're not propagating the naming mismatch.

It is also because when the time comes for shields, Waze should just be able to mass-update everything with "State Hwy" in the primary or alternate field to whatever the correct format turns out to be, but that's problematic if some are MT-xxx and some are State Hwy xxx.
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Re: Naming standard for Secondary Highways

Postby TheChrisK » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:37 pm

banished wrote:I found MT-xxx on State Hwy xxx (S-xxx routes), which is not in accordance with the MT wiki. So far, most of them in the north-central region (Hill County) and I restored them back to the State Hwy xxx format so we're not propagating the naming mismatch.

It is also because when the time comes for shields, Waze should just be able to mass-update everything with "State Hwy" in the primary or alternate field to whatever the correct format turns out to be, but that's problematic if some are MT-xxx and some are State Hwy xxx.


Good catch on those secondary highways. Thanks for fixing them.

When the shields get closer to release, what do you recommend we do to make the transition easier?
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