MojaveCactusMonkey wrote:We are trying to standardize the naming of all the various public agencies ...
OK. Sounds like a great idea. But many of your examples below seem very confusing and contradict your standard in some cases, so I'm not quite following.
The names need to work well with instant search, regular search, and to be clear and concise in the map display.
Many of the "wrong driving directions" URs I handle are because people just took the first search result when they searched for a place. This often occurs when there are multiple Place Points for various places (taxi stand, valet parking, self parking, drop off, etc.) and when the more specific name is listed second (e.g., SuperWazer Hotel and Casino - Taxi Stand) people end up accidentally navigating to the wrong place. I'm all for your standard of making the more specific part of the name first, so it's obvious in the search results, as you state here:
Places which are part of a larger encompassing place (i.e. place points for lot in a university area, Separate ER entrances in a hospital area, etc.) should be named with their unique name followed by a hyphen and the name of the larger area they belong to. For example "Student Parking Lot C - StudyHard University"
That said, it seems simple enough. And we're only 3 paragraphs in. Can we just end the standard here?
But you go on to list many specific examples and I'm losing the simple, elegant consistency stated above.
“Reno City Hall”
Why not "City Hall - Reno" which puts the more specific part first, like you proposed?
“US Social Security Office - Las Vegas”
Agreed, this is consistent with what you stated.
"Washoe County Sheriff’s Office"
Why not "Sherrif's Office - Washoe County" which puts the more specific part first, like you proposed?
"Henderson PD - East Police Station"
No. Assuming there are a lot of "Henderson PD - <more specific location>" places, this is completely opposite your "more specific first" standard.
“Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department - Northeast Area Command”
This doesn't put the more specific part first, like you proposed. I'm really confused as to what "standard" you are using for these names since you are going back and forth.
“Fire Station – “followed by the City/Agency Name or abbreviation and followed by the station number.
OK, I agree, Fire Station first, City second, number third... but then you give these examples:
"FS-1 Las Vegas Fire & Rescue"
"RFD-11 Reno Fire Station"
“Elko Volunteer Fire Station #2”
“Carson City Fire Station 51”
These are not consistent with the standard you propose.Two are number first, city second, fire station third. The other two are City first, Fire Station second, number third. Which of these 3 different ways of doing this are you proposing as the standard?
Start the name with CDP or Station name, then append “Post Office”.
If it has a specific name, but if the name is the city name, it will be hard for people to see the "Post Office" and they'll navigate to lots of post offices when they want to just go to a city.
"Downtown Las Vegas Post Office" / Alt name “USPS Downtown Las Vegas.
I don't like the first one. You won't even see the words "Post Office" in the search box, it'll truncate it after Downtown Las Vegas... What happened to the proposal of "more specific first"? Isn't "Post Office - Downtown Las Vegas" better?
What happened to the hyphens in the "USPS Downtown Las Vegas". Shouldn't it be "USPS - Downtown Las Vegas" to match your standard? Shouldn't that be the primary name and not the alt name?
Description box would read “89101”
Actually when I search for post offices, I usually search by zip code (and I expect this is the most likely use case for people wazing to post offices). When I want my local post office, I want to type in my zip code, which may be slightly different than the zip code of the post office, which may serve multiple zip codes. The "Crossroads Post Office" is in zip code 89130 but also delivers mail to 89131. We need to make sure searches for both zip codes return the correct result.
Hospital/Medical category only if open 24 hours. Hospital would be area place with stop point at main door. ER would be listed as “ER-” in front of the same exact name of the hospital. If urgent care would be listed as Hospital/Medical category then it needs to be 24 hour walk in care.
I agree with this.
We are using the Southwest standard for Arco and am/pm stores attached which is named Arco ampm.
Is this a proposal to use this standard or are you stating that we are already using this standard? If it's a proposal, I disagree. If it's already a standard, where is a link to the "Southwest standard for Arco and am/pm" so I can comment on it? Who made that decision? I can't find it on the wiki and a search of the "US Southwest" forums using "ampm" as a keyword only returns this thread. Why are you placing the acronym for Atlantic Richfield Company in mixed case, when their corporate website clearly places it in all caps everwhere it's referred to
? The ampm site clearly establishes that ARCO (all caps) and ampm (all lowercase) are the registered trademarks
of the respective business entities.
Throughout our identifying places in Waze we need to ensure we do not use information from 3rd party sources to include other gps apps.
This statement is too general to be useful.
- You need to define who "we" is. Is it map editor, or waze users adding the places, or more senior map editors/area managers reviewing an edit put in by a new user/editor?
- You need to define what you mean by a third party source (it's not intuitively obvious)... I am assuming you mean we should only get information from an official company website. But many companies do not have a website, and only advertise themselves on third party apps. Should we delete any Place that we cannot find an official company website for?
I think it's far better to state spefic reasons why
we are not legally permitted to use some (most) third party sources, in particular, that the terms and conditions/license agreements of most other apps/websites specifically prohibit the use of that information. We should state that we must respect the license agreements of any source we use for information.
Utilizing official resources and company websites are ideal.
I agree 100% with this statement (well, 99%... I'll quibble with the grammatical appropriateness of 'utilizing' vs. 'using'), and it should probably go first... but your above statement that we "do not use... third party" seems to indicate this is mandatory, not just "ideal". You need to entirely rework this section to state the reasons we want to use official sources (more current information, official names, consolidated checklist to verify multiple places by a checklist rather than hit-and miss, etc.) and the reasons we can not use some other sources (license agreements... not sure if there are any others.)
Be sure to take the time to put the stop point at the front door / entrance. Follow up by placing the waze house number so navigation by address will also be accurate.
Does this conflict with other guidance that if you put one house number on a street you need to put them all? Should one endeavor to do all Places on a street once they edit one?