Placing stop point on different street than address street

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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby CBenson » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:52 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
Taco909 wrote:In my experience, in your screen shot, simply pulling the address pin for 13 back to the lawn should be enough to push the routing to that road.

Not true. Waze routes only to the street the house number is set to, if Waze uses the Waze result for the address. If Waze uses or the user chooses the Google marker for the address, then Waze will route to the closest Waze segment to the lat/lon returned by Google.

There are currently a bunch of caveats for how this is working for me. Waze does not route to the closest Waze segment to the lat/lon returned by Google if I select the autocomplete result or a result from the Google tab. Rather, Waze will route to the closest point to the lat/lon returned by Google on the Waze segment with the street name searched for. However the results on the Waze tab can come from either the Waze data or the Google data depending on whether there is an exact match in the Waze data or not. If I select a Waze result from the Waze tab, I am routed to the Waze stop point. If I select a Google result from the Waze tab, I am routed to the closet Waze segment to the lat/lon returned by Google.

Regardless, I agree moving the Waze pin never has any effect, as only the Waze stop point is used for routing.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:20 pm

1000 to make level 2? That's a heapload! I don't know how y'all do it.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:48 pm

Since it's a 2 lock and i'm a 1, i can't change the location of the house number. I guess I could nudge the google pin closer to east end. By the way, I've made a lot of map changes, but editing level is based on fixing other people's problems?
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:31 pm

but google maps routes correctly to east end. it's waze that is wrong and i can't change that
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:44 pm

You all can see the stop point by asking waze to route you to 200 e end ave, 10128.
I was the lowly L1 who corrected the 1-way-ness of this block a few months ago. Apparently someone didn't like me editing it and locked my segment after I did that, but not reversing what I'd done.

Taco909 has a good point about avoiding the 'round the block problem, but only if you're approaching from the south. When I approach the building, usually I'm coming from 90th st, turning right onto east end, and then having Waze incorrectly tell me to go past my entrance and make a turn onto 89th.

So if the last editor did change the stop point, they created an unintended consequence.
Anyway, although it's a very specific problem to me, I think it's interesting to discuss all the permutations this brings up. Thanks all.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:31 pm

HI there,

The problem is that Waze should route to 200 east end ave on east end ave and it's the only building on the block. However, Waze now routes around the corner on east 89th st.

I'm not sure how to do a permalink of where waze routes you. I did paste in a link below:


https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-73.94333&lat=40.77704&layers=453&zoom=7&segments=34787993,62954842

Thanks.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:09 pm

The stop point SHOULD be on East End, however Waze terminates 200 E End Ave on 89th street itself. That's why I said that I had the opposite problem as y'all in my OP.

I wonder if the pin (if that has anything to do with anything) is so far back from east end that it is closer to 89th st.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby bhartman » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:47 pm

I have the opposite problem. When routed to 200 east end ave, new york, ny 10128, the stop point is around the corner on 89th street. How do I change this? Is it an unlock request to move the house number closer to East End Ave?
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby ArthurUSCG » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:00 pm

taco909 wrote:
CBenson wrote:The problem I have with airports/golf courses is that if the names of the waze place and the Google POI don't match exactly, the Google place is still displayed in the autocomplete results typically before the waze result.

Revisiting this....

I may have mentioned this before, but I think a perfect solution for this kind of situation would be for Waze to enable a new "road" type.

"Fence" or "Perimeter"
A non-routable (period, no penalties involved) segment that defines a barrier that can not be crossed by the routing engine.
Not rendered on the app, only visible within WME.
Any stop point within the perimeter is forced to route via the segment(s) that pass through the opening(s).

To add to the tool kit, in the same manner that Toolbox can create a Roundabout Area Place using the segments as the perimeter, a new tool that could use the perimeter of an existing area place to create these perimeter segments, automatically broken where routable segments cross the perimeter.

This golf course isn't the best example since its parking lot is actually somewhat centered, but what we see in most cases on courses like this is the clubhouse is at one end or the other... those can never be made to properly route using the Google pin.... but being able to "fence off" the perimeter of the area would cause routing to work properly no matter what location result is used.

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Added benefit, it would allow for much simplification of some of the complex PLR "guard roads" that are often needed where a business complex backs up against a housing complex causing cross-routing, particularly in situations where there are no alleys between the complexes that allow for guard roads, or where only one is available but the guard road itself ends up pulling in routing from the other side.


This might be beneficial for Goverment/Military facilities. There are a few where if you search by the build / agency name WAZE takes you to the nearest road which has no access to inside the instillation.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby alexschrod » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:20 pm

I could have sworn I had already looked through the Wiki, but upon closer inspection, I see that my question has already been addressed:
The Waze development team is working on a way to specify a stop point on a street other than the named segment to which the address is attached.
Sorry if I wasted anybody's time.
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