Placing stop point on different street than address street

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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:25 pm

Taco909 wrote:So for businesses where the stop point is not on the main road, it would be preferable to eliminate the Waze address pin(s) and replace them with the Waze Place Pins including the correct address in the Place?

Yes. That's documented: https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/House_Numbers_in_WME

Taco909 wrote:One thing I see a lot of, and sometimes it is possibly justified, but others completely in error, is when we have 100 addresses for a condo/townhouse development all in the same spot with the same stop point.

Same with those as documented above. If the final destination is not at a location you can put a stop point, don't use the Waze House Number.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby taco909 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:58 pm

So for businesses where the stop point is not on the main road, it would be preferable to eliminate the Waze address pin(s) and replace them with the Waze Place Pins including the correct address in the Place?

One thing I see a lot of, and sometimes it is possibly justified, but others completely in error, is when we have 100 addresses for a condo/townhouse development all in the same spot with the same stop point.
I ran into this the other day on a couple of complexes where all of the street names AND house numbers were very plain in Street View. New editor Timothy007 brought one to my attention and the two of us spend some time cleaning it up honing his addressing chops. The other was a complete cluster with misnamed streets, and when I renamed the streets, the (stacked) addresses jumped to the next block. I ended up having to clear all of the addresses and "drive" the entire neighborhood in SV to clean it all up.

So if anyone pinged me in chat last night and I ignored you... that's what I was doing.
Bummer though... over an hour of work (maybe two?) and I'll only get edit credit for the 6 or 8 segments the addresses were attached to.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby CBenson » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:41 am

Taco909 wrote:Will a place point marked "Bob's Alternators, 123 Main" (actual address 123 Main Ste 5-C) route properly if it is placed on the PLR at the back of the complex?

As Kobes1878 basically said only if the user selects the Bob's Alternator that you added. I've not seen the address input in the places have any effect on address searches.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby Kobes1878 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:14 am

At the moment, the first result in Waze will be Google's PIN. So the new place/POI will help, but only if the user picks the one you created from the Waze page.

I add Place points for apt/business complexes and offices when there is UR. In the direction which Waze seems to be going - allowing places to be marked in the client - I think all places like these should be added. I hope this means that (once enough places are added) the first result will go to Wazes database first.

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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby taco909 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:18 am

Just a bump... What about adding a place point, using the correct stop point with the correct address?

I know this is not a solution for residences in general (perhaps for condo/apartments?) but is this valid for businesses?
Will a place point marked "Bob's Alternators, 123 Main" (actual address 123 Main Ste 5-C) route properly if it is placed on the PLR at the back of the complex?
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby CBenson » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:50 pm

Taco909 wrote:Other than moving the Waze pin "activates" it as compared to the untouched imported, right?
So it would not matter where it is moved to (assuming you are holding the stop point), just that it be "touched"

Or are the imported address pins sufficient as-is? I've always heard that they need to be "bumped" to activate them over the default Google pin.

Correct, they need to be touched/bumped to be used.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby taco909 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:38 pm

CBenson wrote:Regardless, I agree moving the Waze pin never has any effect, as only the Waze stop point is used for routing.

Other than moving the Waze pin "activates" it as compared to the untouched imported, right?
So it would not matter where it is moved to (assuming you are holding the stop point), just that it be "touched"

Or are the imported address pins sufficient as-is? I've always heard that they need to be "bumped" to activate them over the default Google pin.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby CBenson » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:52 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
Taco909 wrote:In my experience, in your screen shot, simply pulling the address pin for 13 back to the lawn should be enough to push the routing to that road.

Not true. Waze routes only to the street the house number is set to, if Waze uses the Waze result for the address. If Waze uses or the user chooses the Google marker for the address, then Waze will route to the closest Waze segment to the lat/lon returned by Google.

There are currently a bunch of caveats for how this is working for me. Waze does not route to the closest Waze segment to the lat/lon returned by Google if I select the autocomplete result or a result from the Google tab. Rather, Waze will route to the closest point to the lat/lon returned by Google on the Waze segment with the street name searched for. However the results on the Waze tab can come from either the Waze data or the Google data depending on whether there is an exact match in the Waze data or not. If I select a Waze result from the Waze tab, I am routed to the Waze stop point. If I select a Google result from the Waze tab, I am routed to the closet Waze segment to the lat/lon returned by Google.

Regardless, I agree moving the Waze pin never has any effect, as only the Waze stop point is used for routing.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby taco909 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:10 am

Perfect. That is how I suspected it worked, though I wasn't sure if deleting an address would cause it to revert or if the addresses (once deleted) were stored in cache until the same number is used again.

So in the case of the OP... and this is speaking PURELY hypothetically... Deleting the Waze address pin and making the home's driveway a PLR or PVT would be one (unacceptable) solution.

Fortunately, it seems that we now have a better resource than being the equivalent of an L1 on GMM to attempt to move Google pins.
Of course, in the case where we WANT the stop point to be on the "wrong" street it may still be a challenge, particularly in the case of another thread where there is a tunnel and highway over the feeder road to the actual destination.
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Re: Placing stop point on different street than address stre

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:15 am

Taco909 wrote:The comment last night was that we only need to note the beginning and ending addresses on a block, IE, for the 600 block, adding "600/601" at one end and "698/699" at the opposite end is sufficient.
I disagreed, thinking that if the driver is searching for 655, not finding it, Waze will still use the Google pin and possibly be routed to the next street over. Is this correct, or is an address range manually input sufficient?

In my (limited) testing of address interpolation, I do not think it works with Waze addresses. When it doesn't find the Waze exact match, it uses the Google match. Google will do address interpolation and return its "best guess" based on interpolation of existing, known addresses.

Taco909 wrote:Follow-on... I have a couple of locations where the address is on a MH, but access is only via the street the next block over. If a Waze pin is present, will deleting it cause Waze to revert to the Google pin and then route the driver to the "incorrect" (in this case, correct) road if the Google pin is placed properly for that to happen?

That is how it should work, yes. If the correct stop point is NOT on the street named for the address, then Waze should not have a House Number for that address. I just added a 2nd Red Note to the Things to Remember section of the documentation: https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/House_Numbers_in_WME
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