Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

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Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:25 am

This is a strange one. I found a street in San Jose where a UR said an address was going to the wrong street. Assuming it was our normal GPS routing without accounting for the street name I tried to fix it, but found this problem was not exactly the same.
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House addresses 340 and 338 on Bautista Place in San Jose, CA will show the correct destination with the checkered flag, but they route to a street that is a long way away from Bautista Place. You can see that Bautista Place is actually between the house and the destination where Waze sends you.

You can see the other addresses on that same block all route correctly. I eventually checked all the addresses on that image, and only the three marked in red came up wrong.

The 309 address is suspect as it is close to the other road Dupont St, however the actual GPS location on Google Maps shows it physically closer to Bautista Place.

I thought the problem was forced vs not forced addresses, but that was not the case. Both forced and non-forced addresses produce both results.

The only other data you can see here is 340 and 338 are possibly the farthest distance from Bautista compared to all the other addresses. Note that 338 was further south when I first ran the test and found the failure, but I moved it so I could see the address number.

Also 300, 313, 320 and 350 do not exist as an address, but Live Map will navigate correctly to those locations on Bautista Pl. However 307 also does not exist, but it fails like 309 (which is real).

Something I am not understanding is why some addresses on the right of Bautista are required to be forced and others are not. I wonder if that relates to our particular issue. Maybe there is something wrong with the Bautista Place segment in the database somehow.

Also since 342 works fine, I just need to move 340 and 338 closer to Bautista on Google Maps and Waze.

Has anyone else seen this strange behavior?
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:12 am

I did read that thread and yes there is more going on than we realize, however it is not consistent enough for me. :D
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby CBenson » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:48 am

Just the collective data. But I thought getting using the internal addresses was a priority. There also is some talk over here that they are used more than I thought.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:40 am

CBenson wrote:But as we touched on waze is clearly struggling with how to handle stop points that are not associated with the named street in the address. So far we can't put a stop point where you should drive your car if that point is not on a segment with the name of the address.

I thought that was just a lower priority item since they are not currently using internal addresses. Is there a thread on that I missed that they cannot solve it or are you speaking about the collective data we are getting in bits and drabs?
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby CBenson » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:55 am

But as we touched on waze is clearly struggling with how to handle stop points that are not associated with the named street in the address. So far we can't put a stop point where you should drive your car if that point is not on a segment with the name of the address.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:30 am

sketch wrote:
qwaletee wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.

Not that different from open-air malls that have internal addresses.

Or pedestrian alleys with businesses and/or residences on them, as in parts of the French Quarter. Better to route to the end of the pedestrian alley than to the drivable road "nearest" the business (which may be behind it).

I think we are loosing sight of the fact that this is all built into the internal house address feature (stop point), to show where to drive your car. Then you get out to make it the last 5 feet or 500 feet depending upon how long your driveway or walkway might be.

But until we have everything on internal house addressing, this ability to route to walkways is creating a huge problem.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby sketch » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:44 pm

qwaletee wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.

Not that different from open-air malls that have internal addresses.

Or pedestrian alleys with businesses and/or residences on them, as in parts of the French Quarter. Better to route to the end of the pedestrian alley than to the drivable road "nearest" the business (which may be behind it).
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby qwaletee » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:22 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
CBenson wrote:...it sure seems to be intended to address the situation where the internal database has number associated with the walking trail.

It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.


Not that different from open-air malls that have internal addresses.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:41 pm

CBenson wrote:...it sure seems to be intended to address the situation where the internal database has number associated with the walking trail.

It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:29 pm

I sent a note to a number of the Waze team to review this thread/issue. I have not yet heard back.
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