Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby sketch » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:44 pm

qwaletee wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.

Not that different from open-air malls that have internal addresses.

Or pedestrian alleys with businesses and/or residences on them, as in parts of the French Quarter. Better to route to the end of the pedestrian alley than to the drivable road "nearest" the business (which may be behind it).
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby qwaletee » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:22 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
CBenson wrote:...it sure seems to be intended to address the situation where the internal database has number associated with the walking trail.

It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.


Not that different from open-air malls that have internal addresses.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:12 am

I did read that thread and yes there is more going on than we realize, however it is not consistent enough for me. :D
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:40 am

CBenson wrote:But as we touched on waze is clearly struggling with how to handle stop points that are not associated with the named street in the address. So far we can't put a stop point where you should drive your car if that point is not on a segment with the name of the address.

I thought that was just a lower priority item since they are not currently using internal addresses. Is there a thread on that I missed that they cannot solve it or are you speaking about the collective data we are getting in bits and drabs?
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:30 am

sketch wrote:
qwaletee wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:It's pretty rare, but there have been examples in the forum, I think in Europe, where house numbers were being added to walking trails in complexes. Apparently there are actual named "streets" but are non-drivable.

Not that different from open-air malls that have internal addresses.

Or pedestrian alleys with businesses and/or residences on them, as in parts of the French Quarter. Better to route to the end of the pedestrian alley than to the drivable road "nearest" the business (which may be behind it).

I think we are loosing sight of the fact that this is all built into the internal house address feature (stop point), to show where to drive your car. Then you get out to make it the last 5 feet or 500 feet depending upon how long your driveway or walkway might be.

But until we have everything on internal house addressing, this ability to route to walkways is creating a huge problem.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:29 pm

I sent a note to a number of the Waze team to review this thread/issue. I have not yet heard back.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:42 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:...in the mean time i moved the walking trail so we can revisit this site in a day or two when the live map changes.

Now that the walking trail is moved, all of the address are routing correctly with no other changes besides the walking trail.

The good news is this resolved the problem. The bad news is a walking trail that should have nothing to do with the routing is messing up the routing. If routing were forced to find the closest segment with a name that actually matches the destination, then this bug would not affect navigation.

I see from the prior finding from CBenson in the Walking Trail thread that Waze is actually wanting part of this functionality and I for the life of me cannot see how this makes any sense. If they are using walking trails as part of the route to get to a final destination, why not consider the driveways and parking lot roads that are effectively doing the same thing. Maybe because they are not named it wont work?

I will take this conversation and disagreement with Walking Trail operation back to CBenson's original thread and try to get a better understanding or feed back to Waze some other proposals so this does not kill us in navigation nightmares.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:25 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
kentsmith9 wrote:Not sure you are correct on 311, but in the mean time i moved the walking trail so we can revisit this site in a day or two when the live map changes.

Make sure you are comparing WME production editor search result pin placement, not the house number.

Ah. Good point. I was not. I also assume that the flag placement in live map would be the same result you are describing in WME, correct?
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:20 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
kentsmith9 wrote:344 and 311 are closer to the walking trail than Bautista, but they route fine.

344 does definitely look closer to the walking trail. I wonder if there is some minimum threshold where routing will use a street if the distance is within x meters?

311 I don't agree is closer to Bautista. It looks very close, maybe a tie, so I'd say Waze picks the walking trail in that case and "fails."

Not sure you are correct on 311, but in the mean time i moved the walking trail so we can revisit this site in a day or two when the live map changes.
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Re: Strange Routing for Some House Numbers on a street

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:44 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
kentsmith9 wrote:House addresses 340 and 338 on Bautista Place in San Jose, CA will show the correct destination with the checkered flag, but they route to a street that is a long way away from Bautista Place.

This looks like Waze can't route properly because these two are located most closely to the disconnected walking trail. This is a long-standing issue which was recently re-discussed in a lengthy thread, and another reason why walking trails can be summarily removed even if they otherwise are mapped ok.

I missed that thread, but don't see how that would be the case here. 344 and 311 are closer to the walking trail than Bautista, but they route fine.

Something I did notice, when the Live Map tries to route the 3 that fail, it takes almost 2x the time for it to come up with the route. The others that are correct have a route in a relatively quick time.
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