Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specific

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Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specific

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue May 23, 2017 12:03 am

(This has been posted to the Waze Suggestion Box. Please consider going there to give it an up vote if you think this is a useful request.)

Today we have the ability to mark a turn as difficult, but we don't have a way to say it is only difficult during certain times of the day like during commute hours, or even to be only weekdays when there is commute traffic.

The current UI could easily be updated to move the difficult turn box to the end of each row for the restriction. That way if an editor sets up a time for a restriction, it now becomes an option to be 100% restricted, or just difficult.

This is an example mockup.

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The editor could then set up a left turn being illegal to turn from 15:00 to 18:00, difficult to turn from 8:00 - 15:00, difficult to turn from 18:00 - 20:00, but fine all other times because it is only the traffic that is an issue.

Also, currently there is no way to limit the difficult turn to weekdays and not include weekends when many difficult turns are abandoned with no weekend traffic at the level of weekdays.
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby ajcadoo » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:43 am

Also, there should be a Wiki page dedicated to Difficult Turns. Is there info of what type of penalty is associated with ticking the box? The feature seemed to have been released without much information about how it works. TBDTs though are extremely necessary though. A difficult turn is easy at 11pm!
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby turbomkt » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:59 am

The penalty applied will probably not be made public. It should be enough to know that whatever the penalty is, it's sufficient :)
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:30 am

turbomkt wrote:The penalty applied will probably not be made public. It should be enough to know that whatever the penalty is, it's sufficient :)

Agreed. It is like a parking lot or private road penalty. That is what we need to know.
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby DwarfLord » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:16 pm

ajcadoo wrote:Also, there should be a Wiki page dedicated to Difficult Turns. Is there info of what type of penalty is associated with ticking the box? The feature seemed to have been released without much information about how it works. TBDTs though are extremely necessary though. A difficult turn is easy at 11pm!

There is a draft wiki article that AlanOfTheBerg and subs5 wrote, posting about it in this thread back on Valentine's Day.

Here's what's puzzling. The draft wiki article introduces the Difficult Turn feature with the words "In Waze, a Difficult Turn (DT) adds a penalty on that particular turn for a majority of the day. Since there are not selectable hours, you will alter the routing throughout most of the day. What is a difficult turn during the morning and/or evening rush hour might be just fine during mid-day and night" (emphasis mine).

Well, that sounds to me like the Difficult Turn feature already incorporates some (presumably secret?) moderation or outright suspension of the DT penalty depending on time of day...?

The wiki language sounds quite deliberate. On the other hand, this may be the only place I've seen any indication that the DT is not 24/7. Informal guidance I've received from Champs and an RC has suggested that it is indeed 24/7. I don't know what's going on.

[EDIT: A number of comments on the draft wiki article in the Difficult Turns Guidance thread, by people who would probably know, indicate that the draft wiki article is wrong and the DT is indeed 24/7. However, the draft article has not changed. I've requested clarification.]
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:48 pm

DL,

The Difficult Turn guidance is in a released form in the Wiki now.

https://wazeopedia.waze.com/wiki/USA/Pa ... icult_turn

I added a clarification a few months ago to say the Difficult Turn check box is based on 24/7.

This feature requests suggests that it would be better to have it operate more like a TBRT.
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby Krixera » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:50 pm

Anyone here knows how much is the routing penalty for DT in terms of minutes/seconds, I wish to know this too.
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby turbomkt » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:35 pm

I don't think anyone will/should say this in an open forum.
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Re: Enable the Difficult Turn setting to be time/day specifi

Postby GeekDriverPeaceful » Tue May 22, 2018 1:15 am

This is implemented :)
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