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Re: School Zone marking

Postby dmcconachie » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:33 am

slandrum wrote:More Wazers doesn't solve the problem. Even if every car driven had Waze running in it, Waze would stumble when restrictions started and ended. Waze is relatively slow to respond to changes in traffic.

slandrum wrote:S Patrick speed limit drops from 45 to 20

Both of these are covered by the way Waze works already and would be assisted by increased number of Wazers. I'm not talking about the real-time effect of the server noticing a slow-down but the long term segment averages which are diced up into roughly 10-minute increments across the day. As long as people are observing the speed restrictions then Waze will gradually learn them too.

The argument for marking School Zones is not one of routing to avoid them but marking them as "hazards" so that people raise their awareness as they drive through them. My argument against is two-fold, firstly you should be looking out the window and see the real-life warnings and secondly, your awareness should be at full alert any time you're in the car.
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby dmcconachie » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:58 am

Not sure how time restrictions help? Unless vehicular travel in the zones isn't even permitted during drop-off/pick-up times?
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby jemay » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:39 pm

No such animal...
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby jemay » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:33 pm

How do you program for "When Children are Present"? That is not a time we can program for....
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby JerryPavel017 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:23 am

woodvale wrote:I'm assuming a School Zone is an area with special restrictions. Do they exist outside the US?

Yes, in Canada :)
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby jimmy_changa » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:29 pm

I think that would be an excellent idea, though. Maybe it could be a checkbox on the relevant segments just like how a toll road is marked, along with a "School Zone ahead" announcement.
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby ScoutWill » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:35 pm

I understand that this has been posted before, but I'd like to add support to this idea.

Here in the Seattle WA area a lot of school zones are on main roads, so the dodging / timing of routes based on school zones is a daily dance many, many folks have to perform.

Having some way to indicate when a school zone is active (days, times, etc) would go a long way to choosing a route. I have a couple routes to work, and if I attempt some of them after 7am, the travel time reported by Waze will be wildly inaccurate based on school zones activating while I am in route.
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby slandrum » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:44 pm

dmcconachie wrote:Waze will naturally account for them though.


In theory, but it takes Waze a while to recognize sudden changes in the driving patterns. And Waze's time-of-day data collection is suspect - on routes that I take daily, the amount of traffic at the same time of day varies wildly, so Waze attempting to estimate just based on historical data often comes up with bizarre routing suggestions, sending you around a block to avoid a section of the road you are on when in fact there's almost no traffic on your road today.

For a while after transition time (either restrictions going into effect, or restrictions being lifted), Waze is unaware and does not deliver routing information accurately.
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby slandrum » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:24 pm

More Wazers doesn't solve the problem. Even if every car driven had Waze running in it, Waze would stumble when restrictions started and ended. Waze is relatively slow to respond to changes in traffic.

What would be useful is if school zones were treated as hazards, and you'd get a pin on the map and an alert if you were to attempt to enter one during a time when it was active (or even maybe a few minutes before). Similar to construction zones and other things that temporarily hamper traffic, so that you get an alert that Waze's routing may not be optimal, especially if the restricted time has just started (or is about to start).
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Re: School Zone marking

Postby slandrum » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:23 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:But regardless of this, it is almost never faster to go around a school zone than to go through it, so the effect on routing would be zero.


Counterexample: Commuting from Melbourne FL, to Satellite Beach, FL across the Pineda Causeway. S Patrick speed limit drops from 45 to 20 when the school zone is in effect so it often became preferable to take A1A which has no school zone on it.

It really depends on the layout of the streets, and what viable alternate routes you have. It's an overly strong statement to claim that routing around the school zone is almost never preferable, but I would agree that it's usually not going to be preferable to route around a school zone.
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