Better police marking: Moving or standstill

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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby KC-Guardrail » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:16 am

usa_h1esakoe wrote:1. It would be helpful to be able to know, and to report, whether police are moving or stationary (maybe instead of visible/hidden?).

2. Previous police reports are characterized as "police 'traps.'" They're really rarely "traps." Can that wording be changed?

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Why would you report a moving police officer? He won't be there when the next Wazer gets there.

Reminds me of the trucker that asks if the scales on the other side of the state, 250 miles away, are open. Kind of pointless.

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Police traps

Postby LordVonZipstor » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:48 am

Hello

I reckon it would be good to be able to tell what type of police presence it is when you report it.
Eg:
-Road block
-Speed check
-Random Breath Tests
etc
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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby LordVonZipstor » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:12 am

MGODLEW wrote:As a police officer I can tell you first hand having the feature would be regularly inaccurate and serve little to none for the Waze community. A better suggestion would be to allow flagging known police hiding spots. I like Riamus's suggestion.
Riamus wrote:I don't think we should necessarily flag speed traps manually. I think Waze should take the user data and generate their own "known speed trap" locations for automatically generated warnings. This should require repeated posting of police in an area within a period of time, including those being Thanked to show that they are valid postings. Waze has the data to do this already and making it automatic will prevent abuse.

Flag known police hideouts is a great Idea! :)
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Re: Police reports

Postby MartiniB72 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:07 am

+ + +
3. warn about areas where police is often seen (few times during last week)
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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby mattnyfd » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:27 am

KC-Guardrail wrote:Why would you report a moving police officer? He won't be there when the next Wazer gets there.


The report should overlay the reported moving police vehicle against the segment's speed limit data, then provide an indication (dotted line? checkered marks, as we do for closures?) on the map of where the cop might be. Let it extend out 1-2 miles in the direction of travel from where reported and then stop.

Effectively, it's automating the process whereas now we hope another Wazer passes by the car once he's become stationary and then reports it. Ipso facto, Waze currently does not track moving police traps who are running radar. NY State Troopers and Suffolk County both notorious for this move.

It's common on open highways with few hiding spots. TX sees the same issue as well.

Non-scientific guess: 50% of police seen on Long Island are not reported, as they are in motion. Or even worse, are reported as stationary.
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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby MGODLEW » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:21 am

As a police officer I can tell you first hand having the feature would be regularly inaccurate and serve little to none for the Waze community. A better suggestion would be to allow flagging known police hiding spots. I like Riamus's suggestion.
Riamus wrote:I don't think we should necessarily flag speed traps manually. I think Waze should take the user data and generate their own "known speed trap" locations for automatically generated warnings. This should require repeated posting of police in an area within a period of time, including those being Thanked to show that they are valid postings. Waze has the data to do this already and making it automatic will prevent abuse.
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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby MGODLEW » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:06 am

This is exactly why you will never see the ability to report moving police in Waze.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html
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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby PhoenixofMT » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:48 am

If you are updating the position of a moving officer often enough for the report to be relevant YOU ARE NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO THE ROAD!
Trying to process data that are only relevant for 15 seconds out of every 5-10 minutes is a waste of resources. Crunching traffic is taxing enough without calculating probability radii for moving targets with infrequent reliable fixes.
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I don't think you understand what you're asking for.

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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby PhoenixofMT » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:16 pm

There seems to be some misunderstanding. The requested features, plural, (it seems to me) are the ability to report moving police AND for the routing server to predict and display the likely future position of the reported officer. The requesting parties know the position would be irrelevant due to the officer moving; they want Waze to develop new prediction systems to display, for example, a widening circle within which the officer is likely to be.

As I noted above, the amount of processing this AI would require goes well beyond the scope of providing routes that account for real-time traffic. This is not a trivial task for a single officer, much less scaling it to whole countries.

LordVonZipstor wrote:Flag known police hideouts is a great Idea! :)

As a former Trapster user I can attest that known hideouts are pretty useless. They can hide out in dozens of places in a small area, and you never know when they'll be there. The end effect is a LOT of clutter on the map. I looked at the Trapster map of San Francisco once, and the "known hideouts" were packed 2-4 per block! I don't know how it could possibly be useful to be told that the police may be hiding in any of a dozen places in the next mile. I don't need an app to remind me that I could get in trouble if I break the law on a given stretch of road. If you're that paranoid about police, I don't see why you need technology to to reinforce, or more probably amplify, your paranoia. Just remember that they are hiding behind every bush and billboard and you'll be fine.

The only potentially useful aspect of reporting police at all, is being able to speed as much as you want until you get to speed trap and slow down. This means the only useful report that Waze can keep track of is where police are stopped to monitor traffic. If Wazers aren't smart enough to realize that a cop writing a ticket with lights flashing does not need to be reported, or that a moving cop (even if equipped with moving radar) cannot be meaningfully tracked, Waze should just remove all features related to police activity. Frankly, I don't trust the speed traps to be reported reliably enough to not be the first Wazer passed them (and 80mph is fast enough for anyone) so I don't speed. Maybe the probabilities are better in the big cities.
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Re: Better police marking: Moving or standstill

Postby PhoenixofMT » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:37 pm

I give up.
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