speed limit of the road on the map

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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby realc4ever » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:39 pm

i understand and agree that there are alot more important things than putting in speed limits.

I think things they are working on in the latest beta could also be bypassed for now so they can work better on avoiding traffic with customizable user options on how a user would like to avoid traffic.

Maybe i don't mind a 5 minute delay to my destination if i can avoid the traffic. there should be an option where the user can set the amount in which waze will reroute regardless of an eta change.

in the mean time, i have to use waze and my magellan because the magellan has a detour option.
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby realc4ever » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:42 am

thanks alan.
you may have seen my other post elsewhere with some ideas i had.... maybe you or someone may be able to share them at the next meetup.

Concerning re-routing:

when the latest update had recently come out, i noticed waze doing alot of navigating around traffic, and it was very good. as of late though, it doesn't do so as much. I wonder what someone changed on the server.

maybe for a future update, the people at waze should put it in the Client, various options for the users to decide how waze should give a route and navigate around traffic instead of them doing it themselves.

I noticed it seems waze doesn't navigate around a minor accident, only a major one. Does waze only use slowdowns to navigate around accidents ? there was a major accident reported over the weekend, i put in a route to pass it and waze didn't navigate around it. when the latest update recently came out, it would navigate around heavy traffic, accidents, and etc.

Perhaps some of the following could be options in the client so the user can decide how Waze will route to a destination:

1. Avoid major accidents ?
2. Avoid minor accidents ?
3. Avoid on-road construction ?
4. Avoid road when average speed is X mph or less ? (the value for x, the user would input the number themselves)
5. Reroute if time saved is X minute or greater ? (the current value of 1 minute isn't really effective, again, the number for x would be entered by the user)
6. Avoid police ?
7. Always navigate so address is on the right side ? (yes or no).

these are just some ideas I am sure which can be expanded upon. I don't see why these options would be difficult to include especially since there are already options in the client the currently effect the servers routing.

I personally would like # 7 because i'm a delivery driver in the US. With the address on the right, you won't have to make odd turns or "drive around the block" turns. It will save alot of time in some areas I drive in as well.
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby realc4ever » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:29 pm

waze should not use speed limit data in it's calculations. That would screw up stuff.

The way they have it now is the best... by using the current average speed and etc.

The only reason for speed limits in waze is as an alert if one is going over the speed limit.

i'm sure down the road, it will eventually get added.

In the meantime, they have bugs to fix and stuff. Yesterday, waze was acting up on me with constant recalcs and proceed to destination error.
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby realc4ever » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:01 am

speed limits of the roads should not be used to calculate routes.

Waze is doing it the ideal way by using the average speed of the road. This shouldn't change.
The other GPS programs do the routing by the speed limit. Waze would be commiting suicide in my opinion if they went down this road.

What this thread should be talking about is the eventual adding of speed limits to show drivers what the speed limit is and alert them if they are driving over it.

Speed limit data shouldn't be used in traffic detection.

One of the benefits that stands out to me as a delivery driver, is that waze gathers the average speed of the roads. They don't keep track of where the traffic lights are and how long a light is, but the longer the traffic light is for a road, the lower the average speed of the road is.

As a result, you won't be routed to a long traffic light among other things as well.
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby realc4ever » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:01 pm

to the person interested in speed limits get a tom tom our get the sygic gps 4 your phone
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby scruffy151 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:24 am

realc4ever wrote:Waze can assume the speed limit is the same for the entire road, until someone else enters a new speed limit.


I know of a segement where the speed limit changes 2 or 3 times.

More in keeping with waze's style would be color coding the speedometer in relation to the average speed of the road. Then you would know if you are moving faster or slower than normal.
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby tgfathergoose » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:41 am

Here's the real problem: waze really doesn't do a good job computing speed limits based on the GPS points. I just moved to a new area, and I've seen waze be half an hour off on my arrival time at my house. I can watch as I drive down the road, at the posted speed limit, and see the time get shaved off. How can waze route me the fastest way when the times are so bad? I know that going one way might save me five minutes (and cost me $4 in tolls), but waze says it would save half an hour? That might be worth it, except it's blatantly WRONG! Regardless of what they say, there must be some sort of default value for each type of road for them to even try to compute times on roads less frequently traveled. I'd like to know what those are.

There are several county roads I travel that, prior to my edit, were listed as city streets. Roads are paved, meet the definition of a minor highway, with speed limits on these roads of 55. Maybe if we could keep these at minor highways and not primary streets or just streets I'll get a better estimate on getting places in my new metropolitan area.
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby tgfathergoose » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:24 am

Yep, wouldn't you know it, another AM higher than me just changed my county roads back to Primary Street and locked the roads down. This person always locks any change down, so no one else can fix problems that develop. These aren't primary streets by definition on the wiki; they fit more the category of Minor Highway. So, if waze does take into account the type of road when there are few datapoints, I'll NEVER get a closer actual arrival time.

What's the normal speed on a primary street? 35-45 mph? What's the speed on a minor highway? 55-65?
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby tgfathergoose » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:44 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
tgfathergoose wrote:What's the normal speed on a primary street? 35-45 mph? What's the speed on a minor highway? 55-65?

I've got hundreds of miles, maybe thousands, in rural areas of the state where the speed limit is 55+ on regular roads. Some I set to Primary Street just to keep a grid of collector-type roads more visible and for good routing. They won't be set to anything higher because they aren't functionally a highway of any kind.


I understand what you're saying, let's keep the app looking pretty. But strictly following the definitions in http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Road_Types_%28USA%29 are those rural 55+ roads acting more like a minor highway or a primary street?
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Re: speed limit of the road on the map

Postby xteejx » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:18 am

+1 it needs too much work to implement, and time that could be better spent giving a more useful base service!

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