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Re: train mode for passive wazers

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:36 pm

Ditto what BT said.

Ferries, as a mode of transportion which is carrying your car, is generally OK. Ferry routes are often mapped as real roads in Waze.
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Re: train mode for passive wazers

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:21 pm

And even if it doesn't actually snap to the rail line in the app, when the drive is processed, it should "snap" to the rail line. I wonder if someone could confirm?
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Re: train mode for passive wazers

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:19 am

fvwazing wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:And even if it doesn't actually snap to the rail line in the app, when the drive is processed, it should "snap" to the rail line. I wonder if someone could confirm?


Alas, no. Railroads do not make it to the client and they are never snapped to in post processing. Because railroads do not show "conscious" wazers on the train will pave again and again, creating red spaghetti on the map. For better results we use "walking trail" instead of railroads here - just make sure they are nowhere connected to the street-network.

Because we are being better at not junctioning non-drivable segments now, I'd rather see Waze display these in the client as a dashed line or whatever is correct for mapping, and be done with it. I really dislike the idea of changing them all to walking trails just for this... :x
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train mode for passive wazers

Postby BlazeTool » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:27 pm

Wazing from anything other than an automobile is unsupported and heavily frowned upon as it causes problem reports and mucks with the speed data.
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Re: train mode for passive wazers

Postby BlazeTool » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:58 am

fvwazing wrote:A dashed line that is not used for routing, that does not bring points if you drive it, that does not report traffic if you stand still at the station, and that changes your Waze-mood into a little train. Right.


You forgot making the "chugga chugga, chugga chugga, choo choo!" whenever your location changes.
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Re: train mode for passive wazers

Postby CBenson » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:25 pm

My understanding is that waze principals are involved in the crowdsourced mass transit app moovit. If you really want crowdsourced train information you're more likely to see it there than in waze.
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train mode for passive wazers

Postby fvwazing » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:42 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:And even if it doesn't actually snap to the rail line in the app, when the drive is processed, it should "snap" to the rail line. I wonder if someone could confirm?


Alas, no. Railroads do not make it to the client and they are never snapped to in post processing. Because railroads do not show "conscious" wazers on the train will pave again and again, creating red spaghetti on the map. For better results we use "walking trail" instead of railroads here - just make sure they are nowhere connected to the street-network.

"Unconscious" training wazers are those who forget to switch off as they hurry from the P+R to the train. They are punished with drained batteries by the time they arrive at their destination.
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Postby fvwazing » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:08 am

A dashed line that is not used for routing, that does not bring points if you drive it, that does not report traffic if you stand still at the station, and that changes your Waze-mood into a little train. Right.
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Postby fvwazing » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:58 pm

kriimsilm wrote:and you may superfast pick phone from pocket and turn Waze off :mrgreen:


Either that or initialize a selfdestruct-mode on the iPhone.
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Re: train mode for passive wazers

Postby harling » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:57 pm

While Wazing on trains and other forms of transportation is not supported, it happens. And it often happens unintentionally: people forget to turn off Waze when they get out of their car and hop on the train, for example. And that is where the solution of providing different modes breaks down: if people forget to turn off Waze when they get on the train, they are probably going to forget to switch to 'train" mode.

This is the main argument for mapping (but not connecting!) rail lines. Hopefully the client will "snap to" the rail segment and isolate GPS tracks from the adjacent roads.

In theory, Waze has the infrastructure to start keeping track of (above-ground) rail activity, and even offer a "use public transportation" option on the client that considers these alternate forms. But anything along those lines would be far down the road (no pun intended) from here.
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