Narrow street - wąska uliczka

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Narrow street - wąska uliczka

Postby AdamKrawczyk74 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:39 pm

Pytanie. Czy Waze faktycznie nie prowadzi samochodów osobowych przez "Narrow street - wąska uliczka"? Jest to (nie wiedzieć dlaczego) zarezerwowane tylko dla motocykli? Kolejna proteza??? Dla mnie jako osoby która czasem porusza się z przyczepą jest ważne czy to jest wąska uliczka. Nie chcę utknąć z kempingiem gdzieś gdzie przejechać się nie da - złamać w zakręcie. Wiem że Waze ma gdzieś takich jak ja bo wybrać pojazdu z przyczepą w ustawieniach też nie mogę, że o wyliczeniu ETA dla takiego zestawu przez grzeczność nie wspomnę. Jeśli tak jest to proszę o aktualizację wiki - by nikt nie zarzucał mi psucia map. W sensie Narrow street - tylko dla motocykli.
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Re: Narrow street - wąska uliczka

Postby mareku188 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:43 am

Odpowiedzi z HQ które można znaleźć na forum
Why narrow streets?
We mean very narrow streets that are drive-able, but hard to access by car. It's the kind of roads that are so narrow, you'd rather not get a route through when driving, unless it is significantly faster. However, as a motorcycle, narrow streets are convenient for navigation. We'd expect to find relatively low segment speeds on narrow streets already, due to the physical characteristics of the street.

How does it work in routing?
* Narrow Streets have a penalty for private cars and taxis. The exact value for the penalty hasn't been finalized yet, we're going to run some tests to determine this. The value will likely range between 5-10 minutes. There will not be a penalty for motorcycles.
* We defined the default driving speed on narrow street segments with 10 km/h until speed data is collected after the production release in routing server.

What about navigation that ends on an narrow street?
We navigate to destinations set on an narrow street. House numbers are not supported yet.

Will there be a setting to opt-in/opt-out of narrow street navigation?
No. This is why it's important to only map segments that are drivable, yet inconvenient, for cars.

Anything else that is different?
Routing override (unfavored/neutral/preferred) is not supported in this version.

Renaming of road type
After reading your feedback we hear your concern that the naming (previously: alley) can be confusing to editors in many countries. So we changed the string to “Narrow Street”. In addition you can use transifex to translate the road type and localize it to your context.

Removing the road type from the editor until it goes to production in routing
Unfortunately we cannot simply remove a road type from production editor. As narrow streets were mapped already, removing the road type now can cause issues with editing the affected segments. We are looking into an option to remove the road type, but it’s not something we can do very fast, as there are dependencies with what exists on the map today.

Narrow Streets used as detours for traffic jams on main road.
We hear your concerns about this and are going to look at these things closely while collecting data after it is released to routing production.
However, you can use this road type to apply a small penalty on narrow roads that people get detours on frequently today, that you’d like to discourage.

Users should be able to configure their preference in driving on Narrow Streets
We don’t see this as option that would benefit the majority of users. From our experience, we know that often these settings can cause misunderstandings that could lead to problematic routes for a user.

Will going from 1 Narrow Street segment to the next have any additional penalty, or is it just when leaving the road type? Will the penalty stack, so if the route crosses a Narrow Street then a street then an Narrow Street then a street, is that 1 instance of a penalty or 2?
* For continuous Narrow Street segments, the penalty will not be multiplied. (i.e.: 4 continuous Narrow Street segments will have the same penalty as one Narrow Street segment).
* Non-continous segments the penalty will be applied to each Narrow Street section. (i.e.: 4 continuous Narrow Street segment (+one time penalty) > other street segment > Narrow Street (+one time penalty).

This should have been implemented like a segment attribute (like tunnel) instead of a specific road type.
We don’t currently see the benefit of adding this as an attribute to higher-level street types, as it will be connected to low default segment speeds.

The color of the Narrow Street & Private Streets are now same (brown). Please change its color.
We’re working with the devs to change this for easier differentiation of the two.

Please let me know if you have any questions. We'll try to keep this opening post updated with an FAQ.

Best,
Daliah

This post was edited and updated to reflect the information provided in staff posts from:
May 1, 2018
May 16, 2018

Nie mogę znaleźć informacji na temat tego czy ten typ drogi ma już nałożone kary za przejazd (czy też jeszcze jest traktowana jako normalna ulica).
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Re: Narrow street - wąska uliczka

Postby AdamKrawczyk74 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:20 am

Dziękuję. Tak, dotarłem do tych informacji na innych niż polska wiki. Domyślam się że "centrala" zamiast dodać kolejną kategorię zaadoptowała "Narrow street" na potrzeby wprowadzenia funkcjonalności "dla motocykli". Czyli imho droga która u nas odpowiada mniej więcej DDR jest traktowana jako "Wąska uliczka" - stąd kara dla samochodów i taxi. Dla mnie, jako kierowcy czterokołowca wąska uliczka to taka na której dwa samochody osobowe nie miną się swobodnie. Takie uliczki zdarzają się w wąskiej zabytkowej zabudowie ale i w wielu innych miejscach (np dzielnice domków jednorodzinnych). I już pal licho tę nieszczęsną przyczepę. Trudno, może kiedyś. Jeszcze raz proszę o aktualizację polskiej wiki by uniknąć nieporozumień.
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Re: Narrow street - wąska uliczka

Postby mareku188 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:23 am

Oczywiście poprawimy Wazeopedię w tym temacie.
Narrow Street to nie tylko opcja dla motocykli ale też rozwiązanie problemu w krajach gdzie są na tyle wąskie ulice, że osobówka ma problemy.
Póki co jak wiesz Waze nie wspiera ciężarówek (i nie wiadomo czy kiedyś będzie taka opcja)
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