[NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby jaywazin » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:20 pm

Well the caveat here is that for each of these I only made one of the exiting stubs 5m in length (so I didn't follow the instructions exactly), because in #1, the other was already a ramp, and in #2 the exiting ramp is locked level 5 (I'm L3). I've read that wayfinder wiki many times and it seems that the 5m was just to make sure it didn't look strange on the app or screw up the routing timings. . .

Anyway, here's #1. Going southbound on Alfort St Bridge, there is a fork to an "exit" ramp to Alford St (right), and a continuation onto Rutherford Ave (left). However from a driving perspective, it's pretty unclear which way to go (I don't know how many times I went the wrong way due to the lack of instruction) - if anything going straight would take you to the ramp (right), and going down Rutherford Ave requires that you veer left. So we need a prompt to "stay right" or "stay left" depending on the route. It currently gives a "exit or stay right" (I don't recall which one, I should probably pay more attention) but nothing if you go left down the Rutherford Ave underpass/tunnel.

Here's #2. Driving west on Memorial drive - Again there is a fork. Going straight would be an exit to a ramp to Massachusetts avenue; staying left would keep you on memorial drive to bypass the intersection via a underpass. Again, there's only a prompt to "exit or stay right" if you're turning ont Mass Ave, but nothing to stay left. I've seen several UR's about this particular issue as well.
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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby PesachZ » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:00 pm

jaywazin wrote:Well the caveat here is that for each of these I only made one of the exiting stubs 5m in length (so I didn't follow the instructions exactly), because in #1, the other was already a ramp, and in #2 the exiting ramp is locked level 5 (I'm L3). I've read that wayfinder wiki many times and it seems that the 5m was just to make sure it didn't look strange on the app or screw up the routing timings. . .

Anyway, here's #1. Going southbound on Alfort St Bridge, there is a fork to an "exit" ramp to Alford St (right), and a continuation onto Rutherford Ave (left). However from a driving perspective, it's pretty unclear which way to go (I don't know how many times I went the wrong way due to the lack of instruction) - if anything going straight would take you to the ramp (right), and going down Rutherford Ave requires that you veer left. So we need a prompt to "stay right" or "stay left" depending on the route. It currently gives a "exit or stay right" (I don't recall which one, I should probably pay more attention) but nothing if you go left down the Rutherford Ave underpass/tunnel.

I fixed this one, it was being caused by this new issue. Though I'm not sure why these outer segments are using the ramp type? It seems they should be set as MH, especially since they have house numbers on them.

jaywazin wrote:Here's #2. Driving west on Memorial drive - Again there is a fork. Going straight would be an exit to a ramp to Massachusetts avenue; staying left would keep you on memorial drive to bypass the intersection via a underpass. Again, there's only a prompt to "exit or stay right" if you're turning ont Mass Ave, but nothing to stay left. I've seen several UR's about this particular issue as well.

I fixed this one as well which was also being caused by this issue. I also updated it to match the Wayfinder guidance, I made the left stub be no a no-name segment. There still remains the alt-names on the MH segments of Memorial which will no longer affect the Wayfinder, but still seem to be wrong, and need to sorted out.

Thanks for showing us these.
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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby jaywazin » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:20 pm

Thanks for the fixes. I'll test them both out over the next week on livemap and in person once they go live!

Regarding the question about the outer segments - not sure they were set up as ramp even before I started wazing. I'll be happy to change them to MH with a short ramp stub.

I'll look more at the other alt names for Memorial, but many of them are already locked to L5 or will be soon as orbitc's road locking standards for this region kicks in. As far as the wayfinder guidance naming - haha, I saw the box in the wiki with the explanation mark starting with "Previously in these situations segment naming was modified. . ." I missed the whole part of the bullet point just above that which said to just remove the name!
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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby PesachZ » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:23 pm

jaywazin wrote:Thanks for the fixes. I'll test them both out over the next week on livemap and in person once they go live!

Regarding the question about the outer segments - not sure they were set up as ramp even before I started wazing. I'll be happy to change them to MH with a short ramp stub.

I'll look more at the other alt names for Memorial, but many of them are already locked to L5 or will be soon as orbitc's road locking standards for this region kicks in. As far as the wayfinder guidance naming - haha, I saw the box in the wiki with the explanation mark starting with "Previously in these situations segment naming was modified. . ." I missed the whole part of the bullet point just above that which said to just remove the name!


If you do change those ramps to MH, then there will be no need for a ramp stub, both wayfinder stubs should then be MH as well.

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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby jaywazin » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:36 pm

Thanks. I guess that'd give an "exit right" and "stay left" rather than "stay" both directions. Will change the stubs as well.

I was just looking at the naming of memorial drive. It's pretty convoluted, having alternative names of Mass Rt2, US Rt2, and Mass Rt3, and in different places. Will get to it later!
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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby PesachZ » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:44 pm

jaywazin wrote:Thanks. I guess that'd give an "exit right" and "stay left" rather than "stay" both directions. Will change the stubs as well.

I was just looking at the naming of memorial drive. It's pretty convoluted, having alternative names of Mass Rt2, US Rt2, and Mass Rt3, and in different places. Will get to it later!

If you use ramp stubs you'll get the exit right, if you use MH stubs you'll get stay right.

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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby FzNk » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:02 am

Here's an example of a nullified wayfinder: https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-123.23109&lat=44.93490&zoom=9

SH-22 WB to SH-223 wayfinder. The primary names are different but alt names match so no direction is given. Staying on 22 WB to its own wayfinder has no matching name so "keep right" is given.
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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby PesachZ » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:33 am

FzNk wrote:Here's an example of a nullified wayfinder: https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-123.23109&lat=44.93490&zoom=9

SH-22 WB to SH-223 wayfinder. The primary names are different but alt names match so no direction is given. Staying on 22 WB to its own wayfinder has no matching name so "keep right" is given.

Thanks for posting this. There were two factors at play here, the new changes, and a recent FC upgrade to only side of the wayfinder. The fix here includes updating the wayfinder to the guidelines, and correcting for the new changes.

It's up to date and fixed now.

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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby FzNk » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:45 am

https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-123.26785&lat=44.55622&layers=1957&zoom=9
This one should only have the one issue, I can't personally confirm that it worked before since I haven't been though here recently, but it looks like it should have.

This also confirms that different city names in alt names don't prevent BC.
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Re: [NEW] Best Continuation algorithm has been changed

Postby dckj » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:55 am

hmm... this 1 doesn't work anymore
the KR segment used to work until yesterday or so when it stopped working. the KL segment is still working...

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