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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:33 pm

redspawn2k2 wrote:I'm embarrassed I didn't catch on faster...

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I've worked a number of those.
"Waze told me there was an error"
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:43 pm

dude463 wrote:Wow, if that happened a lot I'd think you'd consider banning them.

They can be.

I've joked about renting a Cessna and making a loop around LA carrying the phones from all of the local editors, but like GPS spoofing, doing this to open up editing area is considered cheating and something that extreme is certainly the basis for a ban.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:22 am

thealphagirl wrote:
SkiDooGuy wrote:I honestly have no idea what to say here.....

That reminds me of an old Navy joke.
US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.
CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!
US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!
CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

We had some interesting conversations monitoring the radio when I worked at Douglas at the Long Beach airport.
Sometimes the pilots would get just a bit "chummy" with the tower crew and it would bite them.
Other times the tower crew would pull a fast one on a student pilot:

November niner niner echo, say altitude.
"Altitude"
November niner niner echo, say altitude.
"Altitude"
November niner niner echo, say cancel IFR.
"Level 3000"

Sharp student pilot:
November niner niner echo, verify gear down and locked.
Roger, gear down and welded (Cessna 177, fixed gear)
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:43 am

SCP1906 wrote:no previous contact, no place point in that area
just asking how we could help :cry:

I had one of those out in Fontana.
Left a "missing overpass" report.
Ignored the first request.
On 2nd request over a week later, flipped out about having never left the report and don't contact him again.

Had another one about 15 minutes later. Not the response... the initial report "You don't need more information, don't be lazy"
I'm assuming that UR was left as a response to a message in the reporter's inbox about another UR.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:46 am

tckma wrote:the app; if I look at some of my drives I can see myself walking around the house, or chasing my dogs around my back yard when they don't come when called. It's given me a good laugh, although I know it DOES pollute the GPS data.

Walking around inside of a Costco is only going to pollute the parking lot roads, which aren't going to be used for routing anyways.
The main issue with using Waze while walking or riding a bike is on normal roads.

But there's been a ton of times I've gotten funny looks when inside Costco or Home Depot and suddenly Samantha calls out an instruction.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:29 pm

nzahn1 wrote:I figure this thread is the right place to ask: How do folks deal with hostile reporters?

I begin with the standard canned response from Rick's script.
Generally, two things work in our favor... Primarily, the reporter is no longer really upset about the traffic (unless he's just a real a-hole). Secondly, they generally calm down at the mention of "Volunteer Editor"... they realize that we are NOT being paid and are honestly trying to help them out.

I've had three hostile reporters in the last couple of weeks. Two calmed down, and one was an actual map issue that I corrected, one was just a traffic issue (there really were no valid alternates that would have been faster, and driving the same roads and empathizing with the reporter switched him over to friendly responses.)

The 3rd was just a jerk. Seen them in this thread, we ask for information and they demand that we no longer contact them because they never left a report of a problem.
Duhh... SOMEONE used their phone to report it, but it's not worth getting into an argument. Close it as "not identified" and move on.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:31 pm

qwaletee wrote:Remember, mapping has been around for thousands of years. Modern mapping and transportation network record keeping in the US has been around for about 150 years. Electronic storage of that data only starts 50-60 years ago, and only . A lot of catch-up involved transferring data from state resources, the US Geological Survey, and historic Census Bureau data into the original TIGER system in the 1980s. That was not long after OCR began coming of age. I haven't seen anything specific about this, but I would bet they at least experimented with OCR in the data gathering process.

And much of this data transfer is like the CC&Rs at an HOA... it's a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy that even a human has a difficult time reading... much less a 1st generation OCR device.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:38 pm

CBenson wrote:I kind of like DwarfLord's response for hostile reports regarding direction into a traffic jam. However, I report obscene or abusive URs to waze staff. Waze typically bans the user from reporting or terminates the user's waze account as they deem appropriate. Please feel free identify any obscene or abusive URs to me and I will forward them on to waze staff.

Staff has access to reporter identification?
I knew it had to be in the software since we are able to exchange information, I just thought that the information was hidden from humans for legal reasons.

Building on this, often times we get multiple reports from the same, or nearby locations. Occasionally, the reporter replies on one "I've already told you, why do you keep asking?" meaning that this one reporter was obviously the source of at least two of the reports, if not all 4-8.

Do you think Staff would be receptive to assigning some kind of unique, but random identifier to the reporter? Example, within say a grid square a reporter might be identified as 1234567, but in another area, that number would be assigned to a different reporter and the first one might be 9876543. This maintains complete anonymity to remain in legal compliance, but it gives the editors a clue whether to pursue multiple reports or to actively work one and close out the remainder.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:50 pm

russblau wrote:
taco909 wrote:often times we get multiple reports from the same, or nearby locations. Occasionally, the reporter replies on one "I've already told you, why do you keep asking?" meaning that this one reporter was obviously the source of at least two of the reports, if not all 4-8.

Usually, the UR ID numbers (which are visible in the popup if you use the URO+ script) are a good clue; consecutive (or nearly consecutive) numbers in the same vicinity almost certainly means the same reporter hit "Map issue" multiple times.

I'm thinking same user reporting the same problem every day for a week.
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Re: Jolly drivers

Postby taco909 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:38 pm

bz2012 wrote:You could 'rescramble' the random number for a particular user after a set period of time.
Say 30 minutes.
That way, several reports from the same user, issued within 30 minutes, could be correlated, but after that, no way to track.

But that won't tell us if the same reporter has been reporting the same problem every day for a week.
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