Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

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Re: Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation station

Postby MReiser » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:03 am

GizmoGuy411 wrote:I concur. I use ramps for rest stops off xways and then parking lot rds for the internal rds. Seems our common usage trumps the Wiki and we should edit it accordingly. That said I've been a changing Michigan left turns from ramps to roads as I find them. Some were even my own doing in the past.

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I have following the same methodology on the rest stop roads. I have also been changing the "Jersey left" to road types as I find them. (Same as a Michigan left I'm sure).

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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby WeeeZer14 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:03 am

Minor edit made to the wiki. Will need to expand on it including possibly a new page on service areas in general (what road types to use, how to label, using landmarks, etc).

But for now, I should get ready for a certain trip to the west coast ;)
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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby OscarC » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:50 am

I also follow the ramp off/on and parking lot roads inside. I think if it's an interstate, ALL exits should be a ramp because that is how they are designed. I wasn't aware the wiki had something on this.

I also cover the area in a POI (some of those things actually have names but otherwise it's just "Rest Area" or "Weigh Station", etc)
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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby Spil » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:07 am

I only have a couple dozen rest areas in my managed area, but what I've been doing is just classifying the whole rest area road (offramp through to onramp) as "Parking Lot Road" ... that's been helpful in keeping the routing server from sending all Wazers through the rest area when it's a few feet shorter than the highway :roll:. Still, the ramp-parking-lot-ramp idea has merit (if just for being able to go make a few more edits to improve places that I've already worked on :D), so I don't mind making those changes if that's the general consensus.
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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby jasonh300 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:07 am

I thought it was pretty well established that if it came off of a limited access freeway, it should be a ramp, and that's one of the few instances that wouldn't be a change of grade.
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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:16 pm

I concur. I use ramps for rest stops off xways and then parking lot rds for the internal rds. Seems our common usage trumps the Wiki and we should edit it accordingly. That said I've been a changing Michigan left turns from ramps to roads as I find them. Some were even my own doing in the past.

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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby WeeeZer14 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:36 pm

I wouldn't call the roads in and out of a a rest area normal at-grade intersections since they are not controlled in any manner (lights, stop signs). Those roads are also the only way to get from the highway to the network of rest area roads (even if it is just one parking lot segment). Therefore, I think ramp applies.

That said, we can add it to the wiki as an exception/clarification.
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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby gettingthere » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:32 pm

Although maybe the grade is a few feet different and you can justify using ramps vs. the Wiki definition?

I do the same, if it's a highway/freeway that uses all ramps for entry and exit, makes sense to keep it consistent and use ramp road type for the rest stops also.
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Re: Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby WeeeZer14 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:29 pm

For rest areas and truck stops (and parking areas, and service areas, etc) I have use ramps in and out and named something like "Exit to Rest Area" and "to I-40 W".

Agreed it doesn't match what is in the wiki (so I am in violation of statements I myself added to the wiki).

In most cases these areas are engineered and signed similar to true exits, so I like using ramps. But I am up for a discussion :)
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Ack! Ramps for rest areas and transportation stations

Postby FrisbeeDog » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:31 am

Agree on the use of ramps for rest areas. I've also been using the "Exit to Rest Area" on entrance and "to I- ##" on exit conventions.
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