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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby rwstout » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:40 pm

mikecash wrote:Yes, and it is wretchedly incomplete for Japan.

There are several splendid paid and free map and navigation app options available for Japan, with extraordinary accuracy and functionality, which I strongly suspect Waze will NEVER have. There is no language localization, they seem clueless to the fact we don't use street names and house numbers, there is ZERO basemap (we do it all from scratch), and even for a major city like Tokyo you will never see more than two or three Wazers active so it is useless for traffic information. When I first checked out the forum, I was amazed at all the posts about problems with the navigation function....because Waze is so poorly implemented here it never even dawned on me that it HAS a navigation function. Over here we mess around with Waze pretty much for the same reason you might while away some idle time pointlessly working on a jigsaw puzzle.

They are crap for map or point updates, the app is bloody useless (at least here) for what it purports to be, and the users apparently do 99% of the work on the thing. Yeah, I called it a half-assed app. And that's a charitable assessment of it.

Got it...

I agree with you that there are better alternatives, either or not for free.
What I like is the community aspect, although I sometimes wonder why I just copy the TomTom- or Google Map into Waze.

What I do like is:
- The system automatically and very fast adapts to the traffic flow. And you are right that you need a certain amount of Wazers on a road for that. Here in the Netherlands the Waze community is growing fast (in my opinion), which greatly improves the system.
- The fact that one can edit a map and that is implemented within days (when they overcome the server capacitiy problems, that's to say).
- The feature that warns you for traffic construction, hazards and so on. I don't see that elsewhere.
- The feeling of being part of a community that spends time in improving a system from which everybody can benefit, for free!
- Warning messages al almost instantly put into the system, which prevents hazardous situations.

What I don't like is:
- Beause a lot of people do the editing, it's very hard to make the maps consistent (roundabouts, for example).
- The planning algorithm is bases on supposed average speeds for certain types of road, irrespective of it's location. This can lead to driving more kilometers and more minutes than you need to.

So, what's my mission:
- Improve the system wherever I can.
- Tell people about it.
- Spread the word, spread the word, spread the word...

That will lead to:
- A routing system that gets better by the minute.
- Safer travelling
- Enjoying the trip, because you really can attribute to the well being of others by the push of a button.


And yes: I still have my TomTom standby, since the routing depends on Internet servers, that are not always in the air...
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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby dmcconachie » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:55 am

Until such a time as waze can actually capitalise our hard work then financially speaking it has no value and so free or cheap sources are all you can expect.

I believe Israel, where the whole process started, never had an aerial to work from in the first place so it can be done. It just requires buy-in from local users.

As for basemaps, it's still possible to work without one. I had my local city working pretty well before the UK basemap was introduced. It takes time. It takes patience!
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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby rwstout » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:08 am

mikecash wrote:I'd like to know how to pull up something other than Bing. I live in a country with no basemap and....maddeningly....useful satellite imagery ends just a couple of kilometers away from my city. I don't see how they could have detailed images of every cow path up to that point and then nothing but useless splotchy blobs for a large city right in the adjacent section, but that's how it is.

Have you tried Open Street Map already?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/
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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby dmcconachie » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:48 am

Bing is currently your only option I'm afraid.

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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby invented » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:37 am

I find the Bing images to be helpful, but they're pretty outdated. Often the base map geometry sucks and it can help to snap roads and create gentle curves, etc. However, if one does not have an intricate knowledge of the area (like I do of mine), inexperienced users will draw back in realigned roads and things. :(
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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby thefatveganchef » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:59 pm

ign-kateryna is someone that waze hired to do map editing. You can report all ign issues here:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12644

I had the exact same issue with that ign myself with a major highway through OKC.
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Re: People are still using satellite images to do their edit

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:20 pm

I'm curious why you are using Cartouche to edit?
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People are still using satellite images to do their edits

Postby mikecash » Tue May 08, 2012 1:21 pm

dmcconachie wrote:Apologists, fanboys and inept are all words that I would take offence to and I'm sure the waze staff would too.

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Yet they are each and every one of them used accurately.

An apologist is one who offers a defense of something and is not a derogatory term.

I think "fanboy" a sufficiently mild and accurate term for those who say I should be grateful for the free service I get and who are effusive in their praise of Waze and the Waze staff.

Inept is as inept does. And for all the time I have been participating in this project the paid staff side of it has been an ongoing display of ineptitude. That, I think, is hardly even arguable. There has never been one single instant where the app has had the slightest bit of functionality where I am, and I hardly need to point out all the problems, missed deadlines, and disappointing failures to keep users apprised of things in a timely fashion. If they had been hired by an outside firm rather than this being an in-house project I do believe they would all have been fired en masse by now.

If they don't want their ineptitude pointed out then it is incumbent upon them to stop being inept, not to sweep it under the rug by telling those who take them to task for it to STFU and go away.

As I said: I have been unflattering to the paid staff, but not insulting.

If I have been insulting to those who have told me to shut up and go away, it is certainly no more insulting than being told to shut up and go away.

After seeing the most recent map tile "update" and seeing a few thousand of my updates that didn't make it and roads/corrections that quite to the contrary somehow got TOTALLY screwed up, I am pretty much ready to delete this joke of an app anyway.
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People are still using satellite images to do their edits

Postby mikecash » Tue May 08, 2012 6:49 am

I have made what seem to me to be accurate descriptive observations regarding Waze and the paid staff. That they are not flattering does not make them insults.

If I have been gratuitously insulting it has been toward those who tell me to shut up and go away.
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People are still using satellite images to do their edits

Postby mikecash » Tue May 08, 2012 4:30 am

nickjgill wrote:I can't help but laugh at mikecash's comments. Mikecash if you feel that you are better than the rest of the world than you should obviously stop complaining and instead focus your energy on learning how to come up with your own app. Maybe it is time for you to simply move on.

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Another of the "STFU and go away" morons heard from......

I'm not complaining about the free map and navigation app Waze provides me. The free app Waze provides me has neither map nor navigation functionality. I'm getting nothing for free from Waze. They, on the other hand, get my labor for free. As I am a professional driver and spend up to sixteen hours a day six days a week on the road, Waze gets tons and tons of valuable data from me....for free.

They provide me nothing; I provide them data they desperately need in a country with no base map.

I hold up my end of the bargain. When I see them CONSTANTLY falling down on their end, I feel perfectly entitled and qualified to point it out. It isn't as though their shortcomings and displays of incompetence were a secret or that I am the first or only one to point them out.

A bunch of suck-up fanboys heaping totally undeserved praise and gratitude on the inept bunglers who are making a miserable job out of attempting to implement the concept of what Waze was meant to be and constantly telling those of us who think the Waze staff is failing to hold up their end of the bargain to just shut up and go away is juvenile and counterproductive.

The problem is not those such as myself who contribute tons of data despite receiving ZERO functionality from the app and who point out that they expect more from the paid staff. The problem is those who provide tons of data despite receiving zero functionality from the app, decide that it is a worthless waste of time, and just quietly disappear.
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