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Manually added junctions should allow all turns by default

Post by pevans_om
I'm not sure if this has been suggested before, but when manually adding a junction in Cartouche it should by default allow all turns.

Example: I've mapped Road A previously, now I map Road B that crosses Road A. I add a junction at the appropriate place. The junction shows straight traffic allowed on both roads across it, but no turns allowed. Then I have to select the junction and "Allow all turns" to get the turns working.

The majority of road junctions allow traffic to turn in all directions (allowable for the direction of the roads of course) so in my mind when adding a junction "allow all turns" should be applied by default. Then it's the job of the editing individual to restrict turns if necessary. Most junctions won't have turn restrictions so this reduces the work load considerably.
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Post by gerben
Just check the checkbox in the edit menu, and the junction will be made with all turns allowed. The check stays till the end of the session.
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Post by pevans_om
Oh, I never noticed the checkbox. I still think the default should be on though.

I guess this would work better if they actually remembered your settings between sessions...
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Post by pevans_om
I've tested it with one way roads and dual carriage ways. If you enable all turns Cartouche is clever enough not to enable turns up the wrong way of a one way. My area is urban as well and the only junctions where I've found it necessary to restrict turns is onramps/offramps and slip-ways and such.
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Post by WeeeZer14
I guess preference depends on what area you are editing. I am the area manager for two distinct areas. One is urban, the other is rural. In the rural area, 99.9% of junctions are "allow all turns". But in my urban area, it is probably closer to 50% with the multiple one way roads and dual carriageway roads.

So in my urban area, I find it easier to add junctions with NO turns, then add the few turns which indeed are allowed. Otherwise I would have to create turn restrictions for the turns which are NOT allowed, which sometimes is harder to imagine than the turns you can make.

Right now with the default set to no turns, the worst case you would have to select your junction and then click enable all turns. But imagine the reverse case where you have a junction with limited turns and you create a junction with all turns enabled. Then you will have to disable all turns first and then create turns one by one. So I can see the logic in having the default be no turns since accidentally using that option is "easier" to recover from.

As long as the choice to switch between the two remains as a checkbox of some form, I'll be a happy map editor :)
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Post by WeeeZer14
Yes, Cartouche is smart with one way roads, but I have many areas where turns are restricted to/from two way streets because there is a one-way ramp or turn lane which is physically separate from the roadway connecting them for certain turns. Even worse would be in NJ with all the jug-handle turns which eliminate left hand turns in intersections.

I'm focusing on the primary roads and downtown areas first, which is probably where most restrictions exist and why it is so fresh in my mind.
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Post by WeeeZer14
Here is an example. I have lots of situations like this. But there may be some influence in my memory since exceptions stick out more than the norm :)
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